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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2005/05/24/may-24th-vs-the-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no html... doh! (:
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2005/05/24/may-24th-vs-the-tigers/comment-page-1/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 21:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He waited til there were 2 outs which makes perfect sense.&quot; - The game was already out of hand @ 11-0.  Drilling Inge and putting him on base means nothing

But, that said, if I burn your house down - albeit on purpose or by accident, I should be held responsible and have to pay for it in some way.........no? - Getting hit is part of the game.  Hell, a couple of weeks ago, I hit 4 batters in a game (or was it 5?).  Asked them if they were ok, apologized and continued the game.  When I batted, I wasn&#039;t thrown at, no one felt the &quot;need&quot; to &quot;protect&quot; their players/teammates.  I suspect (suppose?) these guys do the same.  Head over to the clubhouse and hash it out there.  The whole idea of an &quot;eye for an eye&quot; is childish.  And doesn&#039;t even apply to this situation because 1. There&#039;s a DH (not that a short reliever would come to bat)
2. Even in the NL there doesn&#039;t seem to be a high rate of &quot;revenge HBP&#039;s.&quot;  Don Drysdale hit 154 batters over his career, he was hit 5 times.  Bob Gibson hit 102 batters, he was hit 8.  You would think those numbers would be a bit closer.  Or were players not &quot;protecting&quot; each other back then?

Pitching inside is part of the game.  Getting hit because someone comes inside is part of the game.  If hitters don&#039;t like it, I&#039;d suggest that they either close that hole in their swing, or pick up another sport, like slo-pitch softball.

Steve, you ought to put a link to WW on the &#039;Shrine.

Ledezma didn&#039;t hit Rodriguez because he never faced him a third time. One homer doesn&#039;t beget a HBP. That said, I don&#039;t think German meant to do it. - You&#039;re right; Ginter gave up the walk, German the HBP.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_335','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_335"><p>&#8220;He waited til there were 2 outs which makes perfect sense.&#8221; &#8211; The game was already out of hand @ 11-0.  Drilling Inge and putting him on base means nothing</p>
<p>But, that said, if I burn your house down &#8211; albeit on purpose or by accident, I should be held responsible and have to pay for it in some way&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;no? &#8211; Getting hit is part of the game.  Hell, a couple of weeks ago, I hit 4 batters in a game (or was it 5?).  Asked them if they were ok, apologized and continued the game.  When I batted, I wasn&#8217;t thrown at, no one felt the &#8220;need&#8221; to &#8220;protect&#8221; their players/teammates.  I suspect (suppose?) these guys do the same.  Head over to the clubhouse and hash it out there.  The whole idea of an &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; is childish.  And doesn&#8217;t even apply to this situation because 1. There&#8217;s a DH (not that a short reliever would come to bat)<br />
2. Even in the NL there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a high rate of &#8220;revenge HBP&#8217;s.&#8221;  Don Drysdale hit 154 batters over his career, he was hit 5 times.  Bob Gibson hit 102 batters, he was hit 8.  You would think those numbers would be a bit closer.  Or were players not &#8220;protecting&#8221; each other back then?</p>
<p>Pitching inside is part of the game.  Getting hit because someone comes inside is part of the game.  If hitters don&#8217;t like it, I&#8217;d suggest that they either close that hole in their swing, or pick up another sport, like slo-pitch softball.</p>
<p>Steve, you ought to put a link to WW on the &#8216;Shrine.</p>
<p>Ledezma didn&#8217;t hit Rodriguez because he never faced him a third time. One homer doesn&#8217;t beget a HBP. That said, I don&#8217;t think German meant to do it. &#8211; You&#8217;re right; Ginter gave up the walk, German the HBP.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ledezma didn&#039;t hit Rodriguez because he never faced him a third time.  One homer doesn&#039;t beget a HBP.  That said, I don&#039;t think German meant to do it.
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like 100 years ago, I tried to come up with a stat that showed who were the pitchers who threw at hitters.  See:  http://www.netshrine.com/brushback.html

If you look at German coming into this season, his BBA is like .091.  He very well could have been trying to come inside and hit A-Rod be accident.

But, that said, if I burn your house down - albeit on purpose or by accident, I should be held responsible and have to pay for it in some way.........no?
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<p>If you look at German coming into this season, his BBA is like .091.  He very well could have been trying to come inside and hit A-Rod be accident.</p>
<p>But, that said, if I burn your house down &#8211; albeit on purpose or by accident, I should be held responsible and have to pay for it in some way&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;no?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German does have that Armando Benitez type look to me......in terms of hitting batters.  I have an idea that I want to check.  BRB.
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why didn&#039;t Ledesma drill ARod?&quot;

Maybe he just doesn&#039;t do that sort of thing, like Mussina. Maybe German is the type of guy that would take it upon himself to hit a someone, like Quantrill.

I kind of wish he hit Young though.
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<p>Maybe he just doesn&#8217;t do that sort of thing, like Mussina. Maybe German is the type of guy that would take it upon himself to hit a someone, like Quantrill.</p>
<p>I kind of wish he hit Young though.</p>
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		<title>By: JJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why didn&#039;t Q go after Inge? He led off the inning (like ARod did), and he plays 3B (like ARod does). Why wait until the scrub IF&#039;er comes up to bat?

It doesn&#039;t make any sense&quot;

He waited til there were 2 outs which makes perfect sense.

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<p>It doesn&#8217;t make any sense&#8221;</p>
<p>He waited til there were 2 outs which makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 19:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok...  Lets try to think this through

Why didn&#039;t Ledesma drill ARod?

If it were about &quot;getting revenge&quot; why wasn&#039;t Posada, who batted after ARod, and had two HR&#039;s as well, not drilled or knocked down?  No warnings had been issued at the time

Why would someone get drilled after their previous AB was a walk?

ARod has good off-field power.  To negate this (or at least try to), you have to pitch him inside, so that he doesn&#039;t extend his arms to go the other way.  Look at the highlights, look at where the catcher sets up.  It was a legit pitch that got away from German.

Why didn&#039;t Q go after Inge?  He led off the inning (like ARod did), and he plays 3B (like ARod does).  Why wait until the scrub IF&#039;er comes up to bat?

It doesn&#039;t make any sense
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<p>Why didn&#8217;t Ledesma drill ARod?</p>
<p>If it were about &#8220;getting revenge&#8221; why wasn&#8217;t Posada, who batted after ARod, and had two HR&#8217;s as well, not drilled or knocked down?  No warnings had been issued at the time</p>
<p>Why would someone get drilled after their previous AB was a walk?</p>
<p>ARod has good off-field power.  To negate this (or at least try to), you have to pitch him inside, so that he doesn&#8217;t extend his arms to go the other way.  Look at the highlights, look at where the catcher sets up.  It was a legit pitch that got away from German.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t Q go after Inge?  He led off the inning (like ARod did), and he plays 3B (like ARod does).  Why wait until the scrub IF&#8217;er comes up to bat?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make any sense</p>
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		<title>By: JJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German didn&#039;t come close to hitting anyone else, good control or not. And he hit the guy with two homeruns in the game.

I&#039;m glad Q did what he did and I&#039;m glad that after he failed on his first attempt he came back and drilled him. He got done what he intended to do.
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<p>I&#8217;m glad Q did what he did and I&#8217;m glad that after he failed on his first attempt he came back and drilled him. He got done what he intended to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason O.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Dmitri Young&#039;s hot air last night:
-Laying out defenseless catchers in the Spring is not &quot;tough.&quot;
-Talking smack after the game is not &quot;tough.&quot;
These are the acts of insecure bullies.
Performing at the plate and in the field for your team is &quot;tough.&quot;
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-Laying out defenseless catchers in the Spring is not &#8220;tough.&#8221;<br />
-Talking smack after the game is not &#8220;tough.&#8221;<br />
These are the acts of insecure bullies.<br />
Performing at the plate and in the field for your team is &#8220;tough.&#8221;</p>
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