• Babe, Bucky, Buckner, Boone……and Bellhorn?

    Posted by on August 30th, 2005 · Comments (6)

    There could be some bonus to the Yankees in picking up Mark Bellhorn.

    As a middle infielder, Bellhorn would know the Red Sox’ signs and indicators. So, at the least, this will inconvenience Varitek & Co. to change all their methods of communication with their staff.

    And, who knows? Maybe Bellhorn knows more? Maybe he knows the best way to get David Ortiz out? Maybe he knows something the Yankees pitchers have been doing to tip their pitches (and that the Red Sox use)? Maybe Boston is stealing signs at Fenway and he knows how?

    Mark has plenty of incentive to be chatty on anything he knows – after all, Boston released him. Maybe there is some payback raging inside him? Wouldn’t that be nice?

    Comments on Babe, Bucky, Buckner, Boone……and Bellhorn?

    1. Raf
      August 30th, 2005 | 11:10 am

      Something that he knows that Embree doesn’t?

      It wouldn’t matter until they play each other, anyway

    2. August 30th, 2005 | 11:34 am

      True. But, maybe Embree wouldn’t know about the Yankees pitchers tipping anything? OK, the whole thing is a reach.

      Maybe it’s a pysch-job? Bellhorn was loved in the clubhouse. Maybe the take-away is there?

    3. JohnnyC
      August 30th, 2005 | 12:33 pm

      Steve, FWIW, I buy your speculation. After all, Embree, as a relief pitcher, needs to know very little about the day-to-day signs used by and/or habits of his position players. Signs for pitchers are usually unique to the individual pitcher (since everyone has a different repertoire). And, like the TV in the bullpen scam that Lou Piniella uncovered in 2003, the Sox have a long history of creatively stealing signs at Fenway. Maybe they’ve gone back to using the spy in the scoreboard again.

    4. Don
      August 30th, 2005 | 1:47 pm

      They must have a spy in the Bronx as well, the way Ortiz owns them.

      Hit him his first AB is what I would do with Ortiz. Right on the hands, like teams do with Jeter.

    5. Raf
      August 30th, 2005 | 2:07 pm

      Embree should know the infield’s signs and habits; if not from coming in with the game on the line, then from observing the game from the bullpen.

      WRT pitching patters I’m sure every pitcher knows (or thinks he does) how to get his teammates out.

      As for signs for pitchers, they aren’t all that unique; 1-primary, 2-secondary, 3-tertiary. Preferences are sorted out beforehand. Second/third sign with a runner on base. Maybe a sign for a pitchout, or a pickoff.

      IMO, I think Steve is reaching. Even if Bellhorn was loved in the clubouse, if it meant that much, you’d think his teammates would stick up for him to prevent his release.

    6. JohnnyC
      August 30th, 2005 | 2:10 pm

      although his left-right split is better in 2005, since we’re talking about his past exploits specifically vs. NY, Ortiz’s success (especially late-innings) is due to us not having a dominant lefty in the pen. Check out the OPS: 674 vs. lefties/1058 vs. righties (2003) and 784 vs. lefties/1082 vs. righties (2004). This year he’s at 872 vs. lefties and 1032 vs. righties. While he might still be Boston’s clutch god, I’d take my chances if I could reduce his OPS by almost 300 points.

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