• Tim Kuhls: Torre Endures As Yankees Struggle

    Posted by on October 25th, 2005 · Comments (4)

    Reading the recent edition of Tim Kuhls’ That’s Kuhls, Baby got me wondering.

    The White Sox might win the World Series this year – with Ozzie Guillen in just his 2nd year as their manager. (If the Astros win, they will win with Phil Garner also in his 2nd year with the club.)

    The Red Sox won the World Series last year – in Terry Francona’s first year as their skipper. The Marlins won the World Series in 2003 – in manager Jack McKeon’s first year with the team. The Angels won in 2002 – in Mike Scioscia’s 3rd year with the club. The Diamondbacks won in 2001 – with rookie manager Bob Brenly.

    Maybe there is something to this new blood theory? Michael Kay always likes to talk about the Jeff Van Gundy line of ‘You can only tell the same speech so many times before it loses impact – then it’s time to get a whole new audience for it to work.’ By this, he means that either it’s time for the coach to move to a new team – or to replace all his players – after being in one spot for a long time.

    Ah, but, Torre did keep the team focused this year after the bad start – and, he got them to within one win from reaching the ALCS.

    Plus, most of the guys on the Yankees have been with New York less than four years. So, it is basically a new team (since the last Torre ring teams).

    So, I don’t think that Tim Kuhls’ theory holds anything here.

    Comments on Tim Kuhls: Torre Endures As Yankees Struggle

    1. Raf
      October 25th, 2005 | 3:01 pm

      I don’t think Kuhls’ theory holds water either…

    2. MJ
      October 25th, 2005 | 3:30 pm

      I can’t explain the theory beyond coincidence. There are other examples too (Leyland, 1997; Piniella, 1990; Kelly, 1987; Johnson, 1986, Altobelli, 1983; Green, 1980…) but if that means that we need to FIRE Torre to win, well…that guy up there in the sticks can go blow it out his ass. Yankee haters that live in New York state but up in the country should be treated like Red Sox fans (meaning beaten with sticks and treated with no respect).

    3. JohnnyC
      October 25th, 2005 | 5:59 pm

      well…Torre won in 1996. that was his first year with the Yankees as well. I think what it might point out is that there are 2 kinds of managers: those who have the skills to develop talent and institute a system and those who can take the final product and motivate and/or steer it to ultimate victory. To paraphrase Bill Parcells, there are managers who can shop for all the right ingredients and others who actually know how to cook them together.

    4. Raf
      October 25th, 2005 | 6:00 pm

      A lot of managers have managed elsewhere and haven’t won squat. Talent is talent. All the “rah rah” team spirit in the world isn’t going to do a lick of good, if you haven’t gotten the players. Torre didn’t just become a genius after managing the Mets, Braves, & Cardinals. Francona didn’t become a genius after failing in Philly. Same for Garner, who managed in Milwaukee & Detroit. So on, and so forth…

      I’d chalk it up to co-inky-dink (:

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