• Torre On Pavano Comeback

    Posted by on June 22nd, 2006 · Comments (11)

    From the S.I. Advance

    Carl Pavano — coming back from surgery to remove “four or five” bone chips from his elbow — yesterday threw 50 times at 45 feet, as he did Monday. Tomorrow he will increase to 75 throws.

    “I’m confident he will help us before the year is over,” Torre said.

    Just for the record, next Tuesday (6/27) will be one-year anniversary since the last time that Pavano put his toe to a major league mound.

    Comments on Torre On Pavano Comeback

    1. MJ
      June 22nd, 2006 | 1:47 pm

      How amusing that Torre feels so confident in Pavano’s usefulness in 2006. I only wish I shared his optimism. Perhaps “he will help us before the year is over” is code for “we’re going to trade his sorry ass and him being gone will help us more than anything else?”

      I cannot fully put into words my contempt for Carl Pavano. I know it’s not his fault that his body’s so fragile but it doesn’t make me feel any better that our team needs a starter and we’ve got one making a ton of money but we can’t ever realistically expect to see him pitch in Pinstripes…

    2. rbj
      June 22nd, 2006 | 1:49 pm

      Pavano will be carting the buckets of balls from the clubhouse to batting practice. That is quite useful.

    3. brockdc
      June 22nd, 2006 | 3:52 pm

      50 bucks says he herniates a disc carrying that bucket of balls.

    4. June 22nd, 2006 | 4:05 pm

      What’s this crap about 4-5 bone chips? I thought it was one bone chip? It was reported as one. No, I can’t find the article, too long ago. This guy is junk. Have we no recourse over a player who misrepresented himself?

    5. MJ
      June 22nd, 2006 | 4:34 pm

      One of the first things taught to first-year law students is the concept of caveat emptor (buyer beware). The Yankees and every other team vying for Pavano’s services knew his fragile medical history but still chased after him like dogs in heat. It made no sense at the time and it makes no sense now, 360 days since his last action in a big league game.

      A truly miserable signing by the Yankees. We saved the Orioles, Mariners, Red Sox and whoever else wanted him a huge headache.

      The saddest part? Jaret Wright was a worse signing at the time (based on lower upside and an equally-ridiculous contract for an oft-injured underachiever) but has come close to paying off for the team. Carl Pavano’s going to have to win the Cy Young next year (if he ever pitches again) for him to justify any part of his deal. And we all know that ain’t happenin’.

    6. baileywalk
      June 22nd, 2006 | 4:37 pm

      A player who misrepresented himself? How? By winning 18 games with a 3 ERA for the Marlins and kicking our asses in the World Series?

      Yeah, the whole will-he-or-won’t-he? thing with Pavano has become tiresome, but it would really help the team if he could come back. Since he’s already throwing, if he’s committed to coming back, he could be here in a month. Pitchers need three starts to get back into game shape. So three starts every five days equals less than a month before getting on a mound, which is exactly what Clemens did.

      Will Pavano be back this year? Probably not. But I’ll give it a fifty-fifty chance, and a near guarantee he’ll be a better fourth stater than Chacon/Wright (Chac can then be traded for a bat).

    7. MJ
      June 22nd, 2006 | 4:56 pm

      In theory, under optimal conditions, when the sun shines just so and he’s wearing his lucky socks and has eaten exactly 27 raisins and other ridiculous wishful thinking sorts of scenarios, yes, Pavano could be a good and useful pitcher for the Yankees. But it hasn’t happened yet and won’t likely happen in 2006. So we just have to accept that no matter what Carl might be for us one day, he isn’t it and won’t be anytime soon.

      Pavano apologists deserve a pat on the back for remaining so faithful to the original misguided principle that brought him to New York in the first place. Why on earth does ANYONE give a guy with his injury history a four-year contract and expect more than 10-15 starts a year from him? In cities much like our own, Pavano would go by the names of Kerry Wood or AJ Burnett.

    8. June 22nd, 2006 | 5:04 pm

      Cashman should have called me.

      In November 2004, I would have told him that

      “there’s never been a pitcher, who parallels Pavano’s career to date, who has gone on to have another solid 4 or 5 years in a row from ages 29 to 33.”

      See: http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?t=16185

    9. hopbitters
      June 22nd, 2006 | 5:53 pm

      What is it about Pavano that makes people think that if he were healthy he’d pitch like his one (1) season that generated 27 RSAA instead of the 7 seasons in which he’s produced -34?

      I don’t think he misrepresented himself so much as nobody looked beyond that one season.

    10. baileywalk
      June 23rd, 2006 | 12:06 am

      The reason I think Pavano, if he should actually come back, will be an improvement over Wright and/or Chacon is simple: despite some ups and downs, and even though he was hurt from spring training, Pavano was a pretty good pitcher while in pinstripes (I stress “pretty good” — not great). He got smacked around in a few games, but who doesn’t? People seem to remember him as being completely worthless. He wasn’t. His teammates were absolute butchers behind him (THIRTEEN unearned runs). Here are his starts from ’05 — the good and the bad (except for the two-inning game where he got hit in the head):

      April 5th v. Red Sox: 6.1 IP, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7 K.
      April 15 v. Baltimore: 5.2 IP, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 K.
      April 20th v. Blue Jays: 8.0 IP, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K.
      April 26 v. Angels: 7.0 IP, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K.
      May 1 v. Blue Jays: 5.0 IP, 6 ER, 1 BB, 2 K.
      May 6 v. A’s: 7.0, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K.
      May 11 V. Mariners: 4.0 IP, 5 ER, 1 BB, 6 K.
      May 17 v. Mariners: CG, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K.
      May 22 v. Mets: 7.0 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K.
      May 28 v. Red Sox: 3.2 IP, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K.
      June 2 v. Royals: 5.1 IP, 5 ER, 0 BB, 2 K.
      June 7 v. Brewers: 6.0 IP, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K.
      June 12 v. Cardinals: 6.0 IP, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K.
      June 17 v. Cubs: 5.1 IP, 6 ER, 1 BB, 3 K.
      June 22 v. Devil Rays: 6.2, 5 ER, 1 BB, 7 K.
      June 27 v. Baltimore: 6.0 IP, 4 ER, 1 BB, 0 K.

      Here’s the important thing: while you may not agree with me that Pavano is a good pitcher, he IS an innings-eater. In his 16 games started (not counting the whack-to-the-head game) he went six or more innings ten times. And went seven or more four times. Pavano ended up throwing 100 innings that year. He threw his last game on June 27th. That’s only five days away. Up to this point in the season (11 starts) Wright has thrown 58 innings. Chacon (9 starts) has thrown 47.1 innings.

      And that was with an injury. Not only do I think Pavano is more talented than those two, but I think he can come in and actually be a true back-of-the-rotation guy — which is to keep his team in the game for six or seven innings (I know that’s not what he was paid for, but it’s what he’ll be right now).

    11. rbj
      June 23rd, 2006 | 10:05 am

      LOL brockdc. That’s one bet I would not take.

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