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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, my comment was not about Clippard&#039;s stuff.  That, I liked.  It was just the way that he walked around the mound between pitches, etc.  He just seemed like a kid - and not someone ready for the big league stage in New York.  I could see him being eaten active in the Bronx right now - sorta like Melky last year.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8379','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_8379"><p>FWIW, my comment was not about Clippard&#8217;s stuff.  That, I liked.  It was just the way that he walked around the mound between pitches, etc.  He just seemed like a kid &#8211; and not someone ready for the big league stage in New York.  I could see him being eaten active in the Bronx right now &#8211; sorta like Melky last year.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ, I guess it happened as baseball expanded.  Once there were so many rosters to fill, teams started stuffing their AAA squads with journeymen.  AAA is still the final stop -- Lester was there before being called up, Melky was there, and Hughes will be there next year -- but the real test is in AA because all the true prospects are there now.  There&#039;s a kind of sad feeling in AAA.  I don&#039;t want to get too poetic about it, but there are so many over-the-hill, never-gonna-make-it guys clinging in AAA that it can get pretty depressing if you think about it too much.

Steve, I think you can only judge a pitcher on who he&#039;s facing and what he does while facing them.  And Clip -- who I&#039;ve seen pitch in Trenton and who I have to say I really, really root for (his underdog story is too long to get into here) -- struck out eleven in seven innings.  So while you&#039;re right Clip isn&#039;t ready for the majors (he&#039;s only twenty-one years old) I think it&#039;s just about learning more about pitching and working on gaining a few ticks on his fastball.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('baileywalk');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8378','baileywalk');" /></div><span id="co_8378"><p>MJ, I guess it happened as baseball expanded.  Once there were so many rosters to fill, teams started stuffing their AAA squads with journeymen.  AAA is still the final stop &#8212; Lester was there before being called up, Melky was there, and Hughes will be there next year &#8212; but the real test is in AA because all the true prospects are there now.  There&#8217;s a kind of sad feeling in AAA.  I don&#8217;t want to get too poetic about it, but there are so many over-the-hill, never-gonna-make-it guys clinging in AAA that it can get pretty depressing if you think about it too much.</p>
<p>Steve, I think you can only judge a pitcher on who he&#8217;s facing and what he does while facing them.  And Clip &#8212; who I&#8217;ve seen pitch in Trenton and who I have to say I really, really root for (his underdog story is too long to get into here) &#8212; struck out eleven in seven innings.  So while you&#8217;re right Clip isn&#8217;t ready for the majors (he&#8217;s only twenty-one years old) I think it&#8217;s just about learning more about pitching and working on gaining a few ticks on his fastball.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to say that it&#039;s been around 10 years now, thereabouts, where Triple-A became a home for old-timers and the like, and Double-A became where the real prospects live en masse.

baileywalk - I have to say, I watched Clippard close yesterday.  He looked good against the Double-A hitters.  But, his actions/body language, etc., as he went about his business, screamed out &quot;kid&quot; to me - someone too young for the majors.  It&#039;s this type of gap that I noticed.

He didn&#039;t look like someone who was ready to face major league hitters - yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8377','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_8377"><p>I want to say that it&#8217;s been around 10 years now, thereabouts, where Triple-A became a home for old-timers and the like, and Double-A became where the real prospects live en masse.</p>
<p>baileywalk &#8211; I have to say, I watched Clippard close yesterday.  He looked good against the Double-A hitters.  But, his actions/body language, etc., as he went about his business, screamed out &#8220;kid&#8221; to me &#8211; someone too young for the majors.  It&#8217;s this type of gap that I noticed.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t look like someone who was ready to face major league hitters &#8211; yet.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of off subject but do you (or anyone else) know when the gap between AA and AAA started to narrow?  When I was a little kid, AAA was where all the prospects made their bones.  Now it&#039;s like AA is AAA and AAA is the weigh-station between the bigs and retirement.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8376','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_8376"><p>Sort of off subject but do you (or anyone else) know when the gap between AA and AAA started to narrow?  When I was a little kid, AAA was where all the prospects made their bones.  Now it&#8217;s like AA is AAA and AAA is the weigh-station between the bigs and retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I don&#039;t understand why the Yankees messed around with Kris Wilson instead of promoting Steven White.  White is still considered a prospect.  At worst, a good game in the majors by him elevates his trade value.  Did the Yankees really expect anything from Wilson?  He&#039;s a Small clone -- good changeup, lousy fastball, if he makes a small mistake they hit him hard.  At least White has a good fastball.  Starting Wilson cost us cutting the Sox&#039;s lead to two.  It was a dumb move altogether.

After pitching so many multi-inning games, Villone finally blew a lead (on a lousy changeup).  Scott Proctor showed he&#039;s Scott Proctor and gave up the lead run.  The best thing about Dotel coming back is that Proctor won&#039;t be the seventh-inning guy anymore.

And, Steve, going to Trenton games is a lot of fun.  It&#039;s three hours away for me, so I don&#039;t go often, but I try to get there as much as a I can.  One thing, though: it&#039;s the level of competition, not the stadium and amenities, that separates AA, AAA and the big leagues.  And AA and AAA aren&#039;t far off from one another.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('baileywalk');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8375','baileywalk');" /></div><span id="co_8375"><p>This is why I don&#8217;t understand why the Yankees messed around with Kris Wilson instead of promoting Steven White.  White is still considered a prospect.  At worst, a good game in the majors by him elevates his trade value.  Did the Yankees really expect anything from Wilson?  He&#8217;s a Small clone &#8212; good changeup, lousy fastball, if he makes a small mistake they hit him hard.  At least White has a good fastball.  Starting Wilson cost us cutting the Sox&#8217;s lead to two.  It was a dumb move altogether.</p>
<p>After pitching so many multi-inning games, Villone finally blew a lead (on a lousy changeup).  Scott Proctor showed he&#8217;s Scott Proctor and gave up the lead run.  The best thing about Dotel coming back is that Proctor won&#8217;t be the seventh-inning guy anymore.</p>
<p>And, Steve, going to Trenton games is a lot of fun.  It&#8217;s three hours away for me, so I don&#8217;t go often, but I try to get there as much as a I can.  One thing, though: it&#8217;s the level of competition, not the stadium and amenities, that separates AA, AAA and the big leagues.  And AA and AAA aren&#8217;t far off from one another.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I spoke too soon about the White Sox rolling over to Boston.  When I wrote that on the other thread, it was 5-3 in the top of the 11th and basically figured it a done deal.  I hate the ChiSox but I hate the BoSox even more and am thrilled that we didn&#039;t lose any ground to them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_8374','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_8374"><p>Wow, I spoke too soon about the White Sox rolling over to Boston.  When I wrote that on the other thread, it was 5-3 in the top of the 11th and basically figured it a done deal.  I hate the ChiSox but I hate the BoSox even more and am thrilled that we didn&#8217;t lose any ground to them.</p>
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