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		<title>By: #15</title>
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		<dc:creator>#15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich,
If we are down 2-1 in game 4, I have the entire staff at my disposal to avert a loss. Bruney for 2, Proctor for 2, Farns for 2, Mo for 2, and any combination of the others. With no history for Wang on three days rest, slam dunk that I&#039;ve got him lined up as my Game 5 starter. I think Torre even made comments after the game that he didn&#039;t think it was all that great of a move on his part. Moose goes 7 strong tonight in a winning effort and it&#039;s all academic.
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If we are down 2-1 in game 4, I have the entire staff at my disposal to avert a loss. Bruney for 2, Proctor for 2, Farns for 2, Mo for 2, and any combination of the others. With no history for Wang on three days rest, slam dunk that I&#8217;ve got him lined up as my Game 5 starter. I think Torre even made comments after the game that he didn&#8217;t think it was all that great of a move on his part. Moose goes 7 strong tonight in a winning effort and it&#8217;s all academic.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And maybe Wang was done. Could be as simple as that, he was done for the game.
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		<title>By: antone</title>
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		<dc:creator>antone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Yankees are saving Wang for Game 4 in case they are down 2-1 in the series, then why even play games 2 and 3?  That&#039;s like expecting to lose, and I don&#039;t see why anyone would think Wang is pitching Game 4, even if Johnson bombs in Game 3...you still have Wright and Lidle for games 3 and 4, which is what I would expect Torre to do...
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15, if we&#039;re down 2-1 in game 4, who do you put on the mound?

I agree to an extent regarding the bullpen, but Myers needs to do his job in that situation.  If he does, we don&#039;t even see Proctor, or maybe we don&#039;t see Farnsworth.  Either way, it comes down to execution.  Myers needs to be able to get big outs (Mauer, Morneau come to mind).  I feel it was as good a situation as any to see what he&#039;s made of.  You&#039;re right, Wang probably should have faced one more batter, but he didn&#039;t have his easiest night.  It&#039;s game 1, he was probably overthrowing a bit, I think Joe made a gut call.

We all remember the night Wanger went 8 2/3 and gave up a walk-off 2-R jobber.  Last night wasn&#039;t that, but if he gives up a HR right there and then gets the hook, who knows how he feels about himself.  Joe&#039;s logic isn&#039;t always great, but he took him out on a high note, and it didn&#039;t come close to costing the team the game.  Proctor needs to be able to get that first batter out, but he still only threw 9 pitches.  I&#039;m with you, but it&#039;s hard to fault Joe when he&#039;s managing for tomorrow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Rich');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_11339','Rich');" /></div><span id="co_11339"><p>#15, if we&#8217;re down 2-1 in game 4, who do you put on the mound?</p>
<p>I agree to an extent regarding the bullpen, but Myers needs to do his job in that situation.  If he does, we don&#8217;t even see Proctor, or maybe we don&#8217;t see Farnsworth.  Either way, it comes down to execution.  Myers needs to be able to get big outs (Mauer, Morneau come to mind).  I feel it was as good a situation as any to see what he&#8217;s made of.  You&#8217;re right, Wang probably should have faced one more batter, but he didn&#8217;t have his easiest night.  It&#8217;s game 1, he was probably overthrowing a bit, I think Joe made a gut call.</p>
<p>We all remember the night Wanger went 8 2/3 and gave up a walk-off 2-R jobber.  Last night wasn&#8217;t that, but if he gives up a HR right there and then gets the hook, who knows how he feels about himself.  Joe&#8217;s logic isn&#8217;t always great, but he took him out on a high note, and it didn&#8217;t come close to costing the team the game.  Proctor needs to be able to get that first batter out, but he still only threw 9 pitches.  I&#8217;m with you, but it&#8217;s hard to fault Joe when he&#8217;s managing for tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: #15</title>
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		<dc:creator>#15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be a mistake to bring back Wang for Game 4 (if, as the saying goes, needed). His success at Yankee Stadium suggests he&#039;s got game 5 (if needed) locked up. I&#039;d say a win tonight is going to just about nail the coffin shut. Don&#039;t see Detroit having enough hitting, or back of the rotation pitching, to fight back from two games down. Pitch around Magglio. Don&#039;t think there are too many other guys in that line up that have a good chance of beating us. Still, Leyland is a dangerous manager, just not enough horses there compared to the good guys. One other thing about bringing in Myers. My sense is that in a short series, you want to give the opponents hitters as few looks as necessary at your relievers. The same logic that says it was a no stress situation for Myers could also apply to Wang. Let him go one more...if he gives up a bases loaded dinger with two outs and no one on, no big deal. Now, a bunch of the Tigers got a good look at Scottie, Farns and Mo, and Myers confidence took a big hit. Farns better find the strike zone, or they&#039;ll be walking to the plate without bats in their hands, looking for walks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('#15');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_11338','#15');" /></div><span id="co_11338"><p>I think it would be a mistake to bring back Wang for Game 4 (if, as the saying goes, needed). His success at Yankee Stadium suggests he&#8217;s got game 5 (if needed) locked up. I&#8217;d say a win tonight is going to just about nail the coffin shut. Don&#8217;t see Detroit having enough hitting, or back of the rotation pitching, to fight back from two games down. Pitch around Magglio. Don&#8217;t think there are too many other guys in that line up that have a good chance of beating us. Still, Leyland is a dangerous manager, just not enough horses there compared to the good guys. One other thing about bringing in Myers. My sense is that in a short series, you want to give the opponents hitters as few looks as necessary at your relievers. The same logic that says it was a no stress situation for Myers could also apply to Wang. Let him go one more&#8230;if he gives up a bases loaded dinger with two outs and no one on, no big deal. Now, a bunch of the Tigers got a good look at Scottie, Farns and Mo, and Myers confidence took a big hit. Farns better find the strike zone, or they&#8217;ll be walking to the plate without bats in their hands, looking for walks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no problem with taking Wang out.  He pitched a great game, but he was also pressing more often than not.  Joe probably should have let him finish the inning, but we really need a guy like Myers to be able to get a lefty out in a big spot.  Joe was probably testing the water.  Proctor threw all of 9 pitches, and there&#039;s a day off tomorrow, so it&#039;s not that big of a deal.  It&#039;s not Jaret Wright tonight, it&#039;s Moose.  Let&#039;s not forget we still have Bruney and Villone (if he can pitch) in the pen.  Proctor probably pitches the part of an inning tonight, which is fine.  I&#039;d like to see Villone out there as well.  Joe said Farns would pitch back to back nights as necessary.

The pen is fresh, let&#039;s not get so worked up about things.  Just think, if we need Wang in game 4 and he comes out and pitches a gem, Joe will be praised for &quot;pulling him too early.&quot;  Just watch.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Rich');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_11337','Rich');" /></div><span id="co_11337"><p>I had no problem with taking Wang out.  He pitched a great game, but he was also pressing more often than not.  Joe probably should have let him finish the inning, but we really need a guy like Myers to be able to get a lefty out in a big spot.  Joe was probably testing the water.  Proctor threw all of 9 pitches, and there&#8217;s a day off tomorrow, so it&#8217;s not that big of a deal.  It&#8217;s not Jaret Wright tonight, it&#8217;s Moose.  Let&#8217;s not forget we still have Bruney and Villone (if he can pitch) in the pen.  Proctor probably pitches the part of an inning tonight, which is fine.  I&#8217;d like to see Villone out there as well.  Joe said Farns would pitch back to back nights as necessary.</p>
<p>The pen is fresh, let&#8217;s not get so worked up about things.  Just think, if we need Wang in game 4 and he comes out and pitches a gem, Joe will be praised for &#8220;pulling him too early.&#8221;  Just watch.</p>
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		<title>By: antone</title>
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		<dc:creator>antone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Farnsworth definitely got squeezed early on in the inning, there were maybe 2-3 pitches from watching on tv that looked like they could have been strikes...also FOX didn&#039;t really give a good replay of that Polanco double because if it hit the line, it BARELY hit the line, I would have liked to see another replay of that...

Torre shouldn&#039;t have taken out Wang, I dont care about the lefty-lefty matchup or if Torre wants to bring him back for Game 4...there were 2 outs and he only had thrown 93 pitches, if he left him in, he would have thrown 10 more pitches max to Granderson, who is also a free swinger and might have swung at the first pitch and gotten out...but I would have let him pitch then maybe pull him if Granderson got on base..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('antone');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_11336','antone');" /></div><span id="co_11336"><p>I think Farnsworth definitely got squeezed early on in the inning, there were maybe 2-3 pitches from watching on tv that looked like they could have been strikes&#8230;also FOX didn&#8217;t really give a good replay of that Polanco double because if it hit the line, it BARELY hit the line, I would have liked to see another replay of that&#8230;</p>
<p>Torre shouldn&#8217;t have taken out Wang, I dont care about the lefty-lefty matchup or if Torre wants to bring him back for Game 4&#8230;there were 2 outs and he only had thrown 93 pitches, if he left him in, he would have thrown 10 more pitches max to Granderson, who is also a free swinger and might have swung at the first pitch and gotten out&#8230;but I would have let him pitch then maybe pull him if Granderson got on base..</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was happy to see Tanyon in there.  As much as his dopey blank stare and cruddy performances annoyed me, I think a journeyman like him really appreciated and enjoyed his time as a mini go-to guy in 2004 and 2005 and it made me happy to think that he was able to enjoy a bit of success in the game he grew up loving.  It&#039;s probably hard for him to be sitting in the dugout, feeling a bit left out but I hope the team gives him a ring if the Yanks end up winning the Series this year.

Also, I hope he&#039;s able to get healthy for next year.  All kidding aside, with Bruney, Farnsworth, Proctor, and a healthy Sturtze, that&#039;s as deep and as hard-throwing a bullpen as anyone could want or imagine.  Throw Myers and another lefty into the mix and the Yanks would have a phenomenal bullpen that Torre could mismanage in 2007.

PS - I love Patrick Ewing.  He was the most unfairly-treated NY athlete before ARod.  The two of them could probably talk and have some common experiences to share.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_11335','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_11335"><p>I was happy to see Tanyon in there.  As much as his dopey blank stare and cruddy performances annoyed me, I think a journeyman like him really appreciated and enjoyed his time as a mini go-to guy in 2004 and 2005 and it made me happy to think that he was able to enjoy a bit of success in the game he grew up loving.  It&#8217;s probably hard for him to be sitting in the dugout, feeling a bit left out but I hope the team gives him a ring if the Yanks end up winning the Series this year.</p>
<p>Also, I hope he&#8217;s able to get healthy for next year.  All kidding aside, with Bruney, Farnsworth, Proctor, and a healthy Sturtze, that&#8217;s as deep and as hard-throwing a bullpen as anyone could want or imagine.  Throw Myers and another lefty into the mix and the Yanks would have a phenomenal bullpen that Torre could mismanage in 2007.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I love Patrick Ewing.  He was the most unfairly-treated NY athlete before ARod.  The two of them could probably talk and have some common experiences to share.</p>
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		<title>By: JJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: The Damon chance. On live TV it also looked as though he had a chance and mistimed it but after they showed the replay (different angle) leading into a commercial there was no chance he could have gotten it.
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sturtze; it&#039;s a big dugout, maybe Pavano was there, just not able to get in a camera shot.

Re: Ewing; I guess facing Randy Johnson, or Eric Hillman will be the closest you can get to answering that question (:

I was just as suprised as everyone to see Torre take Wang out.  Didn&#039;t think it was necessary either.

::A-Rod has to be shaking his head after watching DJ make another &quot;How To Become a Beloved Yankee&quot; documentary video last night.::  Cameras showed him to be one of the first guys on the steps clapping.
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<p>Re: Ewing; I guess facing Randy Johnson, or Eric Hillman will be the closest you can get to answering that question (:</p>
<p>I was just as suprised as everyone to see Torre take Wang out.  Didn&#8217;t think it was necessary either.</p>
<p>::A-Rod has to be shaking his head after watching DJ make another &#8220;How To Become a Beloved Yankee&#8221; documentary video last night.::  Cameras showed him to be one of the first guys on the steps clapping.</p>
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