• Mark Mulder

    Posted by on October 17th, 2006 · Comments (17)

    From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch last month -

    Mulder, who is a free agent this winter, had a partial tear in his rotator cuff repaired Tuesday in New York. Once inside his shoulder, the New York Mets’ physician and Cardinals’ team physician made the decision to stitch together the torn tendon instead of smoothing over the frayed pieces. That process will lengthen his rehab and delay the date he can begin throwing for the next season.

    It will, the doctors said, make the shoulder healthier.

    “It should be as good as new,” Mulder said.

    This is based on zero information or rumor – it’s all gut feel – but, I cannot shake the feeling that Mark Mulder is going to be next year’s “Octavio Dotel” for the Yankees. I can see Cashman giving Mulder several million as a base for 2007, with incentives on IP totals for this year – and then some sort of option for 2008.

    Between Johnson’s back, Mulder’s wing, and Pavano’s (fill in the blank), the Yankees could have a full house next year in terms of glitzy starting pitching names on the Disabled List to start the year.

    Comments on Mark Mulder

    1. rbj
      October 17th, 2006 | 9:58 am

      That’s why you make it a 2 year deal. Let Mulder spend 1/2 to all of next year rehabbing — at a low price, then bigger bucks in 08 (Johnson will be gone, as will Wright even if his option is picked up). Wang, Mussina, Hughes and Mulder and Clippard?

    2. MJ
      October 17th, 2006 | 10:40 am

      Honestly, I never understood why the Yanks didn’t do the same with Dotel. Why give him $3M for one season knowing that he’d be missing at least 3-4 months to start with? Why didn’t they give him the Jon Leiber deal where he could spend a whole year getting healthy and then cash in on whatatever he had left in Year 2?

      If the Yanks do this for Mulder like they did for Leiber, I have no problem with it. That’s an intelligent use of our greater economic resources. Why not spend a relative pittance to see if we can get a former All-Star back to pre-injury form? At one time, Mulder was above-average.

    3. Joel
      October 17th, 2006 | 11:43 am

      A lefty at the Stadium, couldn’t hurt.

    4. October 17th, 2006 | 11:46 am

      The reason you don’t do this is because the difference between a Tommy John recovery (Lieber and Dotel) and a frayed labrum (Mulder’s injury) is roughly the same as the difference between a sprained ankle and being hobbled a la James Caan in Misery (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qkzPpaHqM9s).

      Mulder’s never going to get back to what he was… the damage is to severe.

    5. Raf
      October 17th, 2006 | 12:13 pm

      Mulder’s never going to get back to what he was… the damage is to severe.
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      Yanks don’t need brilliant, league to better than league will do.

      If Mulder could perform like, say, Orel Hershiser after his shoulder surgery, I’m sure the Yanks would take that

    6. rbj
      October 17th, 2006 | 12:39 pm

      Which is why you stick Mulder at the end of the rotation. For the Yankees, the number 5 starter is a .500 pitcher. Let the guys at the top of the rotation earn the wins between 82 & 100. Maybe have an out clause that if Mulder isn’t able to pitch anymore, there’s a cheap buyout clause for the second year.

      I’m with you MJ on why there wasn’t a second year or at least an option on Dotel. Dumb move.

    7. October 17th, 2006 | 1:02 pm

      Maybe it was Dotel and not the Yankees? Maybe he and his agent thought he would star for two months, carry the Yankees in the post-season, and then cash in like madman with Free Agency right after that?

      Maybe Dotel and his agent were the dumb ones here?

    8. Wade_Taylor
      October 17th, 2006 | 1:04 pm

      Which is why you stick Mulder at the end of the rotation. For the Yankees, the number 5 starter is a .500 pitcher. Let the guys at the top of the rotation earn the wins between 82 & 100.

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      Unless Mulder is going to come back and be at least a 3 then it makes no sense to sign him as #4 or #5. Why? Because at that point you can get similar production, i.e. a .500 pitching record, from a Karstens/Rasner type (or maybe Karstens or Rasner) for a fraction of the price. The Yankees do not have an unlimited budget and can only spend so much. Therefore paying Mark Mulder $3-4 million to sit around for a year and then come back as #4 starter is not wise when that money if not spent on Mulder could go towards other more pressing needs such as a reliever or bench players.

    9. baileywalk
      October 17th, 2006 | 1:06 pm

      Yankees don’t need to fill in their rotation with guys like Mulder anymore. The replacements this year are going to be Rasner, Hughes, Karstens and Clippard.

    10. Raf
      October 17th, 2006 | 1:51 pm

      Yankees don’t need to fill in their rotation with guys like Mulder anymore. The replacements this year are going to be Rasner, Hughes, Karstens and Clippard.
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      You need a backup plan in case of injury or ineffectiveness.

      If Mulder could be had on the cheap, go for it; you can never have too much pitching.

    11. brockdc
      October 17th, 2006 | 1:52 pm

      Judging from their ALDS performance, it would seem the Yankees have quite the surplus of 4′s and 5′s right now. Pass.

    12. Don
      October 17th, 2006 | 2:05 pm

      No thanks. Why do this, again, for a guy who will add nothing in 2007. And then hope for 2008? Pass.

    13. Raf
      October 17th, 2006 | 2:13 pm

      No thanks. Why do this, again, for a guy who will add nothing in 2007. And then hope for 2008?
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      Because of the market for pitching.

      I see no problem offering Mulder a “Lieber” type deal. Even more so when you see some of the guys they started last year.

    14. baileywalk
      October 17th, 2006 | 2:37 pm

      The point, Raf, is that Hughes and Clippard are better than a hurt Mulder, and it’s better to bring up Hughes (since it’s an inevitability) than wait around for a guy who may never get healthy. The Lieber deal made sense for the Yanks because they didn’t have anyone waiting in the wings. Hughes IS the backup plan for injury and ineffectiveness (which is almost certain with Pavano and Johnson in the rotation).

    15. baileywalk
      October 17th, 2006 | 3:07 pm

      By the way, there are legit questions about just how good Mulder was. He was a pretty good pitcher in the AL, but looking at his numbers during the Oakland days, the best thing you can say about him is that he threw a ton of innings (a lot like the Zito of today).

      Oddly, going to the NL didn’t help him much. His ’05 — when other AL pitchers were eating up the NL — was pretty mediocre.

      And his ’06 numbers, because of injury, are just flat-out UGLY. So you have a guy that wasn’t that great to begin with, who couldn’t succeed in a weak league in his last healthy year, who now has an extensive rehab to look forward to.

      Besides the fact that we have Hughes waiting, it’s probably best to steer clear of Mulder (who lost out on an opportunity to cash in).

    16. Raf
      October 17th, 2006 | 3:16 pm

      And my point is that there’s nothing wrong with taking a flyer on an arm that may be able to help out. There’s no reason not to have both Hughes and Mulder, or Hughes, Clippard and Mulder at the same time. If they can pitch, the club will find innings for them.

      You can never have too much pitching. Johnson may experience down time, Pavano may experience down time, Wang may experience down time, Hughes may experience down time. Mulder may blow his arm out in rehab, Clippard may develop Steve Blass disease. Or Hughes and Clippard may develop into aces. A lot can happen between now and 2008.

      Pitchers are too suspect year in and out not to stockpile as many as you possibly can. Look at Chicago and Prior and Wood. Liriano and the Twins.

      If Mulder has nothing cut him loose. If he has something left, keep him.

    17. christopher
      October 17th, 2006 | 3:40 pm

      If Cashman wants to sign Mulder as the #12 pitcher, fine. But we better have our #2 and #3 pitchers signed before any negotiation with Mulder.

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