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		<title>By: Jeteupthemiddle</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2007/04/18/april-18th-vs-the-indians/comment-page-1/#comment-17301</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeteupthemiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving Igawa a 5 year $20M deal is a great contract for the Yankees.

At $4M per, if he isn&#039;t quite what the Yankees are looking for...despite the length of the contract...he is easily movable.

I am quite certain that other teams would be willing to take a shot on him.

Not to mention that only $20M counts towards the luxury tax as opposed to $46M.

It was cheaper to sign Igawa than, say, someone like Lilly for the Yankees when the luxury tax is calculated...for an extra year even...and I think it is likely that Igawa will be just as good if not better than Lilly during that time (even counting the NL and AL differences).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Jeteupthemiddle');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_17301','Jeteupthemiddle');" /></div><span id="co_17301"><p>Giving Igawa a 5 year $20M deal is a great contract for the Yankees.</p>
<p>At $4M per, if he isn&#8217;t quite what the Yankees are looking for&#8230;despite the length of the contract&#8230;he is easily movable.</p>
<p>I am quite certain that other teams would be willing to take a shot on him.</p>
<p>Not to mention that only $20M counts towards the luxury tax as opposed to $46M.</p>
<p>It was cheaper to sign Igawa than, say, someone like Lilly for the Yankees when the luxury tax is calculated&#8230;for an extra year even&#8230;and I think it is likely that Igawa will be just as good if not better than Lilly during that time (even counting the NL and AL differences).</p>
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		<title>By: brockdc</title>
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		<dc:creator>brockdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I wasn&#039;t thrilled with the Igawa signing, I still think he can be somewhat useful, providing they don&#039;t expect a performance last night every time out. Look, Jamie Moyer has been a successful #3 for years and couldn&#039;t break a spiderweb with his fastball if you held a gun to his head. Igawa would seem to have a similar arsenal to Moyer&#039;s with slightly better velocity and slightly worse control. So why can&#039;t it happen?
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		<title>By: rbj</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yanks started off 1-3 in 1998.  I&#039;ll take another season like that
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		<title>By: JJay</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2007/04/18/april-18th-vs-the-indians/comment-page-1/#comment-17298</link>
		<dc:creator>JJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand but this has been the case the past few years. This isn&#039;t nearly as bad as 05.
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJay - what I was trying to say with that was...that we shouldn&#039;t let the last two games make us forget that, overall, the Yankees have gotten out of the gate like the last shot out of a roman candle.
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		<title>By: JJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve! C&#039;mon! RE: --- Really, the only bummer at the close of business today is this...even with the Yankees playing great the last two days, their record is only 7-6 on the season to date. ---

They were 5-6 and now they&#039;re 7-6. That&#039;s the best you can ask for. They won the past two games in convincing fashion against a good team. Enjoy it! A-Rod is. ;)
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<p>They were 5-6 and now they&#8217;re 7-6. That&#8217;s the best you can ask for. They won the past two games in convincing fashion against a good team. Enjoy it! A-Rod is. <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bailey, I don&#039;t think Steve is saying he doesn&#039;t like the guy.  I won&#039;t call him a #3 and we&#039;ll see at the end of the year what # we&#039;d like to assign him.  Can he be valuable? Absolutely.  Nobody said he couldn&#039;t be valuable and be a solid #5, but he&#039;ll never be a #3.  Isn&#039;t that too high an expectation for the guy?

I don&#039;t really care about the money part as much as Steve, but MJ had a perfectly logical explanation as to what his worth actually is.  I think he&#039;ll be better than Jaret Wright, but to what degree? I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll be that much better, and time will tell that he&#039;s more like Jaret Wright - except that he can give you an extra inning (through the 6th) with more frequency.  How we interpret that frequency might differ between each of us, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to be the norm - where he consistently gives us 6 or 6+.

Ask yourself this, if we have a week where Pavano, Pettite, Wang, and Mussina can&#039;t go that far in each of their starts and the bullpen is looking for some time off, then how confident are you that  Igawa will provide that relief?   I sure am not.

Do you think he&#039;s a #3 the caliber of a Dice-K,  Chacin, Nate Robertson? I would consider those more true #3.  I will give you this, looking around the league there aren&#039;t that many good #3.
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<p>I don&#8217;t really care about the money part as much as Steve, but MJ had a perfectly logical explanation as to what his worth actually is.  I think he&#8217;ll be better than Jaret Wright, but to what degree? I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll be that much better, and time will tell that he&#8217;s more like Jaret Wright &#8211; except that he can give you an extra inning (through the 6th) with more frequency.  How we interpret that frequency might differ between each of us, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to be the norm &#8211; where he consistently gives us 6 or 6+.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this, if we have a week where Pavano, Pettite, Wang, and Mussina can&#8217;t go that far in each of their starts and the bullpen is looking for some time off, then how confident are you that  Igawa will provide that relief?   I sure am not.</p>
<p>Do you think he&#8217;s a #3 the caliber of a Dice-K,  Chacin, Nate Robertson? I would consider those more true #3.  I will give you this, looking around the league there aren&#8217;t that many good #3.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have to brace ourselves for the fact that Igawa is the lefty version of Jae Weong Seo.  Alotta baserunners and too much contact allowed.
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur. I still can&#039;t believe the length of the contract that the Yankees gave this guy.
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Given other contracts that were handed out this season, why not?  Looking at the contracts given Pavano and Wright, why not?

I&#039;m not going to get worked up after a handful of innings.  Talk to me after the season.
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Given other contracts that were handed out this season, why not?  Looking at the contracts given Pavano and Wright, why not?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get worked up after a handful of innings.  Talk to me after the season.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo.  Make that 1988.
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