• May 18th @ The Mets

    Posted by on May 18th, 2007 · Comments (22)

    Another fine Andy Pettitte outing wasted.

    Losing.
    So easy, a Yankee could do it.

    Credit Willow for getting the Mets a win today. He took off the bunt in the 5th and that was the difference in the game. Amazing what a thinking manager can do, in terms of helping his team. (Joe’s counter? “Hey, I made a double-switch in the 8th!”)

    On the bright-side, it was a quick killing today. Giambi made the final out at 9:28 pm ET. That gives bloggers like me a chance to write this and then go watch “NUMB3RS.”

    One down, five to go.

    Comments on May 18th @ The Mets

    1. RICH
      May 18th, 2007 | 9:58 pm

      ~Amazing what a thinking manager can do, in terms of helping his team.

      What would a thinking manager (or blogger) do differently? I’m not trying to be combative, you give me the impression you feel the reason the Yankees lost today was due to a lack of Torre’s inspiring strategic moves and I think the main reason was poorer hitting than the Met’s.

    2. baileywalk
      May 18th, 2007 | 10:09 pm

      Steve, you couldn’t sound more petulant if you tried.

      For someone who’s been devoted to this team for so long, I can’t believe how much it seems like you’re almost melodramatically ENJOYING this losing.

      What did you do during the late ’80s and early ’90s? Shoot heroin during Yankee losses to drown your misery?

      Pettitte was good. The Yankee offensive once again failed (they basically lost because they couldn’t score in the first inning). If it means anything, I thought Cano, Damon and Giambi took decent hacks. If they can start hitting again, it would help. Melky can’t hit, Phelps (at least recently) can’t hit, and tonight Pettitte was in the lineup. With A-Rod looking very much like the 2006 version, this team isn’t going to score with Melky, Phelps and a pitcher in the lineup.

      That Chavez home run was pure luck — by the hitter and the manager. It was also a mistake by Pettitte — even if the guy is going to bunt, you can’t just lay one in there; if you look, he missed his target. It was just a little misfortune, which isn’t a surprise this year — the Yankees have had a black cloud over their heads (the curse of SheffJohnWright?).

      At least we got a good laugh — Mike Kay saying “As we said, there’s NO WAY Giambi will see Wagner tonight”… and then there’s Giambi striding to the plate.

    3. JeremyM
      May 18th, 2007 | 10:19 pm

      I’ll be honest, I haven’t been a Torre fan since he put Jeff Weaver in the 03 Series–well, actually, he managed poorly that entire series. But what does he have to do with the failure of the team right now? His bullpen management was pretty shoddy to start the season, but the starting pitching has settled into a nice groove.

      Right now, you can only point the finger at the offense. They are a freaking joke. I’m not that big on randomly blaming hitting coaches, but I can’t help but wonder if Long is really any good. Then again, he probably has little to do with it.

      But seriously, two runs against Oliver Perez? That first inning was pathetic, they had the guy right where they wanted him and instead you have Damon running into an out and A-Rod swinging at crap. But what are you gonna do?

    4. May 18th, 2007 | 11:22 pm

      There was nothing that Torre did, in terms of moves, that lost *this game.*

      What Torre is at fault for, now, is being calm and patient. And, it’s a fault because the team follows his lead and carries that signature of his. That was fine, and needed, when a change was required back in the mid ’90′s. But, now, that calmness has turned the Yankees team vibe into something like an old, fat, dog.

      The team needs a spark. It needs someone to come in and make a new imprint on the collective approach of the team.

      That’s why Torre has to go. His time, albeit well served, is over. It’s time to change the climate of the team.

      Am I “melodramatically ENJOYING this losing”? Well, given the choice, I would NEVER want to see the Yankees be 10 games out of first – ever. But, since they are, and there’s nothing that I can do about it, yes, AT THIS STAGE, the losing doesn’t bother me…and more losing will not bother me…because continued losing should lead to what’s needed…a change in the MGR and hopefully, in time, the GM too.

      Because, as long as Cashman and Torre are running the show together, it will be just like it’s been for the last 4 years in New York. A team with some talent that doesn’t have the fight/heart to go with it.

      That’s what the Yankees are, that’s why they lost tonight, that’s why they’ve been losing this month, and that’s why it’s Torre’s fault.

      Of course, your mileage may vary.

    5. baileywalk
      May 19th, 2007 | 12:03 am

      But, now, that calmness has turned the Yankees team vibe into something like an old, fat, dog.
      ——

      How do you explain 2005 then? Same calm manager and basically the same team. They started horribly, and then turned it on and went nuts in the second half to dramatically win the division.

      Listen, I agree with you. I want Torre and his is-he-even-breathing? demeanor to go, too. But I don’t think a switch now would change anything, and I can’t really blame him for the performances on the field. This isn’t a bunch of kids who need a kick in the ass and a “you gotta want to win, Rock!” speech.

      Cashman isn’t going anywhere. Torre was gone after this year if they won or not.

      This team isn’t dead yet — if the Red Sox don’t falter, then the wild card is a real possibility. If anything good comes out of this season, it’s that the Yankees dipped into their pitching depth in the minors and maybe if we’re lucky we won’t see Pavano or Igawa next year but will see Hughes and Clippard.

    6. JeremyM
      May 19th, 2007 | 1:06 am

      Maybe 2005, and to a lesser extent 2006, are partly to blame? This team has gotten used to getting out of the blocks slow, and this year it’s snowballed- some of that was uncontrollable with injuries but excuses don’t fly with the Yankees. Anyway, it’s all armchair psychology at this point.

      Steve, definitely see your points on Torre.

      As far as a kick in the ass, Clemens might be the guy that can provide it. His comments on Farnsworth: “I’m not even going to comment about it,” Clemens said. “We’ve got far more serious issues to worry about than that.”

    7. May 19th, 2007 | 1:15 am

      oliver perez is lefty

      yanks can’t hit lefties, it feels like we’re the 06 mets…

    8. Don
      May 19th, 2007 | 2:20 am

      The clock is ticking. Ten games in the loss column and counting, if it winds up at 12 (or worse) after Wednesday, Torre will be gone. Your wish will be granted. Wish wisely.

      I worry that if Cashman goes the organization will return to its bad old ways and ruin the farm system.

      I doubt Clemens will have an impact on the team, pitchers really don’t affect a team that way.

      On another front, an all points bulletin is out for a missing Alex Rodriguez. At least for his missing RBI’s.

    9. May 19th, 2007 | 9:09 am

      ~~~How do you explain 2005 then? ~~~

      The “comeback” in 2005 was 90% Boston choking and 10% Torre’s impact on the team.

    10. RICH
      May 19th, 2007 | 9:36 am

      ~The “comeback” in 2005 was 90% Boston choking and 10% Torre’s impact on the team.

      You just can’t seem to give anything more than the tiniest credit to last season’s team. I guess Toronto must have choked since they couldn’t overcome a Yankee team that only won during the regular season because of other teams’ ineptness.

    11. May 19th, 2007 | 9:50 am

      Rich, check the stats. Boston choked in 2005 and 2006. Huge chokes. The stuff that they write books about. Without those chokes, the Yankees do not win the AL East the last two years – no matter how well they played. Facts are facts.

    12. adam
      May 19th, 2007 | 10:04 am

      i read your post just at 10:00, and i am glad i did because it reminded me to watch NUMB3RS, which was awesome by the way. we need to get charlie eppes in here to figure out why the yankees suck so much.

    13. Raf
      May 19th, 2007 | 10:16 am

      A team with some talent that doesn’t have the fight/heart to go with it.
      ============
      Igawa knocks Ichiro down. Phelps with a borderline “dirty” slide on Johjima, Proctor drills Betancourt.

      Not enough “fire/heart/intensity” for you?

    14. Raf
      May 19th, 2007 | 10:34 am

      Rich, check the stats. Boston choked in 2005 and 2006. Huge chokes. The stuff that they write books about.
      ================
      That was hardly the case

    15. May 19th, 2007 | 10:37 am

      igawa has no idea where he throws the ball

    16. May 19th, 2007 | 11:27 am

      ~~~That was hardly the case~~~

      In 2005, the Yankees “comeback” was aided when the (first place) Red Sox lost 12 of 18 games from June 27th to July 18th. And, in 2006, the Red Sox lost 21 games in August (and went 8-21 on the month). Those 21 losses tied the all-time record for losses in a month by a team that started the month in first place. (Boston held a one-game lead over New York at the end of July 2006.)

      How is that hardly the case in light of these facts?

    17. baileywalk
      May 19th, 2007 | 12:06 pm

      I don’t think the 2006 Red Sox choked. I think their team just fell apart toward the end of the year, and our five-game sweep of them simply slammed the door shut in their faces. I don’t think you can consider it a choke because it was a close race right up to the Boston Massacre. After that, they faltered and the Yankees didn’t. The Yankees finished strong and that’s it. You actually have to have a big lead to choke it away. The Red Sox didn’t.

      The Yankees were the better team in ’06. Without question.

    18. xxxdanxxx
      May 19th, 2007 | 1:11 pm

      “The Yankees were the better team in ’06. Without question.”

      The 06 red sox were devastated by injuries, starting slightly before the yankees series, and going to hell after. Maybe you have a short memory. I can find the injury list if you’d like me too.

      This season, all I keep reading about is yankees injuries. Once they get healthy, and boston isn’t, they’ll catch them.

      But 06? Oh, that was just the yankees having a better team. Injuries? What injuries? Steve at least tries to look at the teams with a little perspective. You have yankee blinders on.

    19. baileywalk
      May 19th, 2007 | 3:00 pm

      And you have Red Sox blinders on if you think the Red Sox weren’t a poorly constructed team that year. Give me a break. Go ahead and give me that injury list (and when they were injured). Who do we have? The Fabled Tek? Who wasn’t hitting? Schilling? Who had an awful second half to the year, beginning before he finally begged out. Manny, who stopped playing (for petulant reasons) AFTER the Yankees had stomped them? Papelbon, who also got hurt AFTER the Yankees were ahead?

      Oh, I guess it was Trot Nixon who sank your season.

      The Yankees DID have injuries, but that’s not the problem anymore, and if you saw me mention the Yankee injuries THIS year in the last month let me know. Right now, the Sox are the better team — they are hitting well, pitching well both in the starting rotation and the ‘pen, and they are winning. Who’s disputing that?

      But if you want to dismiss the ’06 season as “we only lost because of injuries,” you’re fooling yourself. The ’06 Red Sox didn’t lose because of injuries, and the ’07 Yankees aren’t ten back because of injuries, either.

      You’re the one wearing blinders.

    20. xxxdanxxx
      May 19th, 2007 | 5:48 pm

      “But if you want to dismiss the ’06 season as “we only lost because of injuries,” you’re fooling yourself.”

      That’s not what I said. Injuries are part of the game.

      Look at the first series where the sox swept the yankees. What did we hear? The yankees did pretty well because their starting pitching was a mess. Check out who pitched game one for the sox during the 5 game sweep last year?

      But you’re right, the sox were poorly put together last year. Add that to the injuries and they were doomed. The yankees sweep was a result of that, nothing more. They were the better of two bad teams. How’d they do in the playoffs? Thought so.

      If you haven’t attributed the yankee start to injuries ever, then you’re one in a million. But if you did, and now you’re pointing at the sox playing bad last year (they weren’t out of it after the 5 game sweep, it was their playing after the sweep that put them out of contention) without saying “yep, they were decimated by injuries”, then you’re a hypocrite.

      And I’m not the only one who has accused you of having yankee blinders on. I guess we’re all just crazy and you’re the one looking at the situation with a level head.

    21. baileywalk
      May 19th, 2007 | 7:59 pm

      They were the better of two bad teams.

    22. Raf
      May 20th, 2007 | 11:29 am

      In 2005, the Yankees “comeback” was aided when the (first place) Red Sox lost 12 of 18 games from June 27th to July 18th. And, in 2006, the Red Sox lost 21 games in August (and went 8-21 on the month). Those 21 losses tied the all-time record for losses in a month by a team that started the month in first place. (Boston held a one-game lead over New York at the end of July 2006.)
      =============================
      2006 the Red Sox fell apart. “Choking” had nothing to do with it.

      As for 2005, it was a race up until the end. Or do you think the Yanks choked the last day of the season? They were up one with one to play.

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