• Why Andy Has Been Dandy

    Posted by on May 24th, 2007 · Comments (8)

    A quick look at some Runs Saved Above Average (RSAA) leader boards, as of this morning, via the Complete Baseball Encyclopedia.

    Yankees RSAA Leaders to date:


    American League RSAA Leaders to date:


    Andy Pettitte has been the best pitcher on the Yankees so far this season – and one of the top ten pitchers in the league. You can make a strong case that he’s been the Yankees MVP during the first quarter of the season. He’s been more consistent than A-Rod. Eight out of ten times this season, Pettitte has given the Yankees a quality start. Given the issues that the Yankees had earlier this season with their rotation, well, to quote Kenny Bania, “That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!

    Comments on Why Andy Has Been Dandy

    1. May 24th, 2007 | 12:17 pm

      I think it would be a weak case to say that Pettitte’s been the Yankees MVP.

      Rodriguez’s 25 RCAA kicks Pettitte’s butt.

      Consistency means nothing. 25 RCAA gets you more wins than 11 RSAA. “Consistency” doesn’t give any more value to the 11 RSAA than “pizza” or “apparate” or any other word, either fictious or real.

      Throw in Jeter’s 17 RCAA and Posada’s 16 and Pettitte’s case gets even weaker.

    2. May 24th, 2007 | 12:21 pm

      I suppose the case can be made, but as in the year-end MVP debates, I just can’t see how someone who plays in one fifth of the teams games could be the “most valuable player” on a team. In a strictly numbers sense, the 28.9 VORP Alex Rodriguez has is greater than the 19.1 VORP Andy Pettitte has.

      You bring up the issue of consistency, and point to a poor nine-game stretch by A-Rod. But how is that nine-game stretch by a position player any different than one bad outing by a starting pitcher? Andy Pettitte pitched poorly against Boston on April 27 (4.2 6 5 5 5 5), but since he only pitches every fifth day, this can be overlooked when judging consistency?

      Pettitte has clearly been the best pitcher on the Yankees, and they’d be a .400 team without him. But more valuable than A-Rod, Posada, and Jeter? No way.

    3. May 24th, 2007 | 12:25 pm

      Lee – what about using RCAA/G and RSAA/G – how do Pettitte, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada apppear then?

    4. May 24th, 2007 | 12:34 pm

      FWIW, on second thought, and looking at WPA numbers:


      I concede here – Pettitte is not the team MVP…just the team pitching MVP.

    5. May 24th, 2007 | 12:36 pm

      Comparing RCAA/G and RSAA/G isn’t really a valid measurement, unless the G in all cases is the team’s games.

      There have been 33 games in which Pettitte produced exactly 0 RSAA. Actually, that’s a minimum of 33 games, since I’m not breaking down each of his starts.

      Those are the games in which Pettitte didn’t pitch. It’s still 0 RSAA and the fact that his butt was on the bench doesn’t make him any less valueness during those games.

    6. dereksTeam
      May 24th, 2007 | 1:38 pm

      during arod’s “hot streak” the yanks went 8 and 8 and they were 9 and 10 when he went cold.

      Arod’s not much of a barometer of wins and losses; i think a real yankee mvp is someone like Mo (no this year of course). But there is someone you can really point to as an impact player.

      there’s a curious stat for “expected wins and losses” that shows the Yankess shoulda coulda mighta oughta be at 25 and 20. There coulda shoulda oughta be a 5 game gap with the sawks.

      oddly enough the 31-15 record of the sawks is almost the same for their “expected wins and losses”; showing very few, or no hard luck losses.

      Steve thinks this universe will continue. I continue to argue it won’t.

      The fact I have a 88 out of 89 chance, based on the last 89 years, to succeed here barely dents Steve-oh’s gloom and misery. Somewhere God is saying “What do I have to do to make this guy happy?”

    7. May 24th, 2007 | 1:59 pm

      ~~~Somewhere God is saying “What do I have to do to make this guy happy?”~~~

      A lump sum payment of $1,000,000 would do wonders.

    8. snowball003
      May 24th, 2007 | 8:51 pm

      It hurts me to see Mo so low on that list. And it seems Farsnworth should be lower.

      I was asking Jen last night–what exactly is Farnsworth’s purpose. I know what it was last year, but I’m not really clear why he exists this year.

      Other than to wear silly glasses and incredibly tight pants and therefore give us all something to mock him for.

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