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	<title>Comments on: September 27th @ The Devil Rays</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - and I try and keep it under control too!
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, when I heard &#039;Thirsty Turtle&#039; - my first thought was...that sounds like something that you&#039;d find in a Kama Sutra book.
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You have a very sick mind, Mr. Lombardi.  Jussst kidding...
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<p>You have a very sick mind, Mr. Lombardi.  Jussst kidding&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, when I heard &#039;Thirsty Turtle&#039;  - my first thought was...that sounds like something that you&#039;d find in a Kama Sutra book.
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me, or is there a &#039;Thirsty Turtle&#039; in just about every city in America?  ;-)
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What lightning flash went off in the minds of Phil and the organization that they finally had him throw all his pitches?  He had been throwing the change a bit more in recent starts, but tonight we saw some sliders too.  Phil was mostly a two-pitch pitcher in Trenton, and he specifically said he needed to work on his change in AAA after a disappointing spring training.  He did do that and we saw a great change in his near-no-hitter, but after that it seemed to disappear.  When he came back from the DL all we saw were curves and fastballs.  It stayed that way even through a few bad starts.  But now, finally, he&#039;s using all his pitches again and he looks great.

&quot;I think Al Leiter made a good point on YES when he said that Hughes using all his pitches made his fastball feel electric - even though it was on the gun around 88-91.&quot;

That&#039;s true of all pitchers, so it&#039;s true of Hughes too, but it also doesn&#039;t make sense.  When Hughes was in the minors, he was always clocked at 90-94 (that&#039;s according to his pitching coach, who never exaggerated what Phil brought to the table -- in fact, he tried to keep him humble with his assessment).  Before Phil throws a single breaking ball or off-speed pitch, he&#039;ll throw a fastball to a hitter that registers 90 or 91 and they swing through it like it&#039;s 95.  Batters swing through his fastball or foul it off like it&#039;s 93+ even before they SEE his other pitches.  So that theory doesn&#039;t exactly hold with him.  Whatever it is -- if something prevents him from clocking right, if it&#039;s his motion -- Hughes may in reality somehow be throwing 90, but he&#039;s not -- it&#039;s not the same &quot;90&quot; you see coming out of the hand of Mike Mussina or Ian Kennedy.

Torre said this was his best start, even better than Texas.  I don&#039;t think so.  But I would put it up there in the top three.  He looked very confident, which is the best thing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('baileywalk');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_22770','baileywalk');" /></div><span id="co_22770"><p>What lightning flash went off in the minds of Phil and the organization that they finally had him throw all his pitches?  He had been throwing the change a bit more in recent starts, but tonight we saw some sliders too.  Phil was mostly a two-pitch pitcher in Trenton, and he specifically said he needed to work on his change in AAA after a disappointing spring training.  He did do that and we saw a great change in his near-no-hitter, but after that it seemed to disappear.  When he came back from the DL all we saw were curves and fastballs.  It stayed that way even through a few bad starts.  But now, finally, he&#8217;s using all his pitches again and he looks great.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think Al Leiter made a good point on YES when he said that Hughes using all his pitches made his fastball feel electric &#8211; even though it was on the gun around 88-91.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true of all pitchers, so it&#8217;s true of Hughes too, but it also doesn&#8217;t make sense.  When Hughes was in the minors, he was always clocked at 90-94 (that&#8217;s according to his pitching coach, who never exaggerated what Phil brought to the table &#8212; in fact, he tried to keep him humble with his assessment).  Before Phil throws a single breaking ball or off-speed pitch, he&#8217;ll throw a fastball to a hitter that registers 90 or 91 and they swing through it like it&#8217;s 95.  Batters swing through his fastball or foul it off like it&#8217;s 93+ even before they SEE his other pitches.  So that theory doesn&#8217;t exactly hold with him.  Whatever it is &#8212; if something prevents him from clocking right, if it&#8217;s his motion &#8212; Hughes may in reality somehow be throwing 90, but he&#8217;s not &#8212; it&#8217;s not the same &#8220;90&#8243; you see coming out of the hand of Mike Mussina or Ian Kennedy.</p>
<p>Torre said this was his best start, even better than Texas.  I don&#8217;t think so.  But I would put it up there in the top three.  He looked very confident, which is the best thing.</p>
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