Actually, now that I think of it, the 2004 collapse may be a bit worse, because it happened against the Red Sox. While I’m not up to speed on the Mets rivalries (I remember NY-STL used to be pretty big, and recently it was NY-ATL), I don’t think the Phillies were considered more than division rivals.

Steve, I guess it depends on how much weight you give the regular season vs. the postseason. Either way, both collapses were historic in nature.

I don’t consider one to be worse than the other; each occurred under different times & different circumstances.

“Kings of New York”

Indeed…

They were both awful, but I would say the Mets has been made a little worse for the fans by being drug out for a longer time.

I see that the stories about the Indians-Yankees series are going to the tired angle of the Indians inexperience versus the Yankees experience. Is it too much to ask for something the slightest bit fresh from the media? Did we not just see the “inexperienced” Tigers beat the Yanks last season, or the Marlins in 2003? And how many times will we hear about the disparity in payroll? I’m guessing an average of at least once for every at bat in the series.

SEPTEMBER SWOONS

Date Team Lead

Sept. 12, 2007 New York Mets 7

Sept. 1, 1938 Pittsburgh Pirates 7

Sept. 6, 1934 New York Giants 7

Sept. 4, 1995 California Angels 6

Sept. 20, 1964 Philadelphia Phillies 6

Sept. 8, 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers 6

Then again, looking at the above, maybe 2007 is worse than 2004?

Actually, thinking about it some more, the whole 2004 vs. 2007 thing is interesting.

In 2004, the Yankees needed to win once in 4 tries.

In 2007, the Mets needed to win two in 7 tries.

Sorta close, huh?

Guillermo Mota?

http://tinyurl.com/36qrcn

Now, that’s a reach.

Personally, I don’t care about other teams’ collapses (unless it’s the Red Sox). The Mets’ collapse is only useful as ammo against an uppity Mets fan.

And I feel sorry for Willie — but chalk it up as a learning experience for him.

An interesting angle…
90% of non-Yankee fans spend at least a few days each October hating the Yankees. So the 2004 collapse will always be remembered because it was the Yankees in October on national tv.

While we’ve now got ammo for the next time a Met fan gets uppity, it will hardly be the big deal that 2004 was/is.

I feel bad for our #30 who has 6 rings as a player and coach.

Maybe if Willie had one front-line pitcher anywhere near his prime he wouldn’t be in this mess.

Now he will have to listen to a bunch of loser “analysts,” loser fans and loser media types tell us all why a guy who has done nothing but win his whole career can’t get it done.