• Olney: Yanks Should Hire Girardi

    Posted by on October 24th, 2007 · Comments (7)

    Buster Olney makes a great case for Joe. It’s pretty much the same case that I made a month ago.

    Comments on Olney: Yanks Should Hire Girardi

    1. baileywalk
      October 24th, 2007 | 4:57 pm

      “Experience in running a game.
      Girardi and Pena have managed in the big leagues. Mattingly has not.”

      This is what cracks me up about people who trumpet Girardi over Mattingly. Joe has ONE YEAR of experience. All the things that follow about Mattingly — that he never ran a “rotation, a bullpen, the everyday lineup” — was true of Girardi before he got the Marlins job. Did anyone say this about him then?

      His last three points “He Knows New York,” “He Gets Along With Fellow Employees” and “He Knows the Media” actually fall over to Donnie’s side.

      Girardi was never a star player who was expected to carry the team; Donnie was. Donnie has the rep as the nicest guy you’d ever want to meet; Joe’s rep is as a control-freak hard-ass. Donnie has been here since 2004 and clearly has a comfortable relationship with the media; Joe was here just one year recently and talks to the media like he’s a powering-down robot.

      As for the “He Knows Pitching” point — well, not every manager can be a catcher or pitcher.

      I’m not really sure how much people can “know” about Girardi with his limited experience. It’s kind of funny that when comparing Joe and Donnie the experience factor is mentioned most, but Joe should still be considered inexperienced himself. He’s worked on one team that had no expectations. That doesn’t exactly tell us how he’d work out with all the expectations in the world on his head. His one year of experience came in a totally dissimilar situation. And for all that people say in his favor, I’d love to know how many of these Yankees fans/writers actually watched more than a handful of the Marlin games he managed. I would say very few if any.

    2. MJ
      October 24th, 2007 | 5:18 pm

      I agree that a professional resume of 162 games managed doesn’t tell us much. But, just as people are so stuck on that “experience” point with Girardi, I have to say that people are also stuck on this idea that he’s an incorrigible hard-ass. Why? Because he told his meddlesome owner to shut up? Or because he had to set a tone in a young clubhouse that had very little leadership?

      Is it impossible to believe that maybe Girardi learned a thing or two about office politics and that, after his humiliating exit, he might be a bit more even-tempered or at least diplomatic? If the biggest knock on him is that he might rub veterans the wrong way, I guess I’ll live with that. After all, some of the veterans on this team are his former teammates. It’s not like he’s an unknown quantity in the Yankee clubhouse. He coached for the team in 2005 and he’s been around them as part of YES in 2004 and 2007. All of a sudden Jeter/Posada don’t know who he is and they have to re-learn how to coexist with a veteran leader of their younger days?

    3. Tex Antoine
      October 24th, 2007 | 6:51 pm

      Why is Girardi’s hard-nosed style even considered a liability? Didn’t we just get rid of a guy who was “comfortable” around the players and the media? After 4+ years of “I like my team,” “I love the way we battled,” and “I was pleased with the effort”—invariably uttered after getting our asses kicked yet again in a big game—wouldn’t it be a good thing to make these guys a little uncomfortable for a change?

    4. Pete
      October 24th, 2007 | 7:56 pm

      Don’t forget Girardi’s also got 15 years ML experience behind the plate – running a game, handling pitchers, seeing the entire field and what takes place at each position when the ball is put in play.

      Yes Donnie was a ‘leader’ on the field, but I get the impression he’s cut from the same cloth as Jeter – quiet & leads by example instead of with words.

      I have a problem with star players becoming coaches or managers of baseball teams, and mostly because they often try to teach guys *their* way of doing things – since obviously it worked well for the span of their own careers.

      Was Charlie Lau a star player? Was Leo Mazzone a star player?

      In regards to pitching knowledge, the only reason I think it’s important to have someone with a stronger background in the subject is simply because of our potential rotation next year – 3 rookies, all entering their first major league season. Personally, I don’t want someone at the helm who doesn’t have a clue about it.

      I’m not saying Mattingly doesn’t have a clue about pitching, but a catcher certainly has more of an idea than a former firstbaseman, no?

    5. October 24th, 2007 | 9:01 pm

      Here’s the thing for me on Donnie.

      Is he a hard worker?

      Yes, without question – I don’t think anyone could out work him at anything, if it’s something that he wants to do.

      Does he have the respect of the players on the team?

      Yes, see the answer to the previous question and his resume. Plus, he’s a nice guy. It’s almost impossible to not respect him.

      Has he had good managers to learn from?

      Yes, as I’ve once profiled, he’s played and coached under some of the best ever.

      So, what’s the rub? For me, it’s his ability to deal with the media as a rookie manager. New York media is tough.

      Have you ever see the episode of “Center Stage” on YES with Donnie? In that one, he comes across as a country bumkin. He’s soft spoken and sort of shy in a way.

      Personally, I think the media will eat him alive if he becomes Yankees manager – and it will all be downhill from there.

      Whereas, with Girardi, having worked in the media, and being glib in that way, I think it will be less of a burden for him.

      That’s a huge edge for Joe, IMHO.

    6. JeremyM
      October 24th, 2007 | 9:53 pm

      Just got back from my honeymoon– what I miss?

      I’m totally lost on who to pull for in the manager sweepstakes, but hearing some of the things I’ve read about Mattingly from Girardi supporters has made me pull for Girardi–it’s tough for me to hear bad things said about my idol and I’ll hear plenty of them if he’s the manager. It comes with the job. As far as being a locker room leader, I’ve heard it said from guys like David Cone, Paul O’Neill, and Jeter that Mattingly was very much the leader of that clubhouse and set the tone for the professionalism that followed.

      My gut feeling is Mattingly would make an outstanding manager and would be much more than Torre-lite, as he’s been called, but I think Girardi will get the call.

      By the way Steve, WasWatching is a banned site at the Estes Park Public Library, not sure if it’s the was or the watching that’s on their banned phrase list, but there you go:) I didn’t check to see if they had the frequently banned Huck Finn in stock though…

    7. October 25th, 2007 | 8:59 am

      JeremyM – belated congrats!

      FWIW, I could not load the page at my local library in NJ once too. I guess those studious people don’t like me?

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