• What Cost Johan?

    Posted by on November 28th, 2007 · Comments (12)

    Pete Caldera takes a stab at what it might cost the Yankees to get Johan Santana:

    IF Robinson Cano, RHP Phil Hughes, RHP Jeff Karstens and RHP Tyler Clippard for LHP Johan Santana and IF Matt Tolbert.

    OF Melky Cabrera, RHP Joba Chamberlain, RHP Jeff Marquez and IF Wilson Betemit for LHP Johan Santana and LHP Glen Perkins.

    RHP Ian Kennedy, OF Melky Cabrera, OF Jose Tabata, RHP Ross Ohlendorf and RHP Allan Horne for LHP Johan Santana.

    I think most Yankees fans can live with that last one – although Caldera notes the Twins may not go for it. As far as the other two suggestions, well, if that’s what it takes, I think the Yankees should pass on getting Santana.

    “Cano & Hughes” or “Melky & Joba” is too steep a price, in my opinion.

    Comments on What Cost Johan?

    1. TurnTwo
      November 28th, 2007 | 9:36 am

      I see Joba as untouchable, period.

      Cano can go, but no Hughes in the same deal.

      hte last package is bearable, but I’d limit it to 4 players, not 5. If the Twins want anything more than Melky, IPK, Horne, and Tabata, then they are sending a minor leaguer back to NY with Johan.

    2. sju38621
      November 28th, 2007 | 9:44 am

      once Johan makes it clear he only will come here, they will lose leverage and we can get away with IPK, Melky and Tabata…still a hefty price but I personally think that is a perfectly acceptable deal on our end at least

    3. Pete
      November 28th, 2007 | 10:47 am

      The more I think about it, the more I just want the Yanks to pull out of the whole thing.

      We have TWO potential Santana’s in our rotation next year – is it worth it to give up the whole farm for this guy?

    4. TurnTwo
      November 28th, 2007 | 11:00 am

      this is Johan Santana!

      yes, in 5 years, Hughes MAY be better than Santana, but in 5 years, we could also see Brackman, Betances, and McCutcheon develop into the next Hughes, anyway.

      As an organization, you ID your blue chippers and only move them for a very special player… you can have the best pitcher in the league, in his prime, for the next 5 years, and everyone is hoping that they dont get him because Phil Hughes might be really good?

      i just dont get it. i like watching the young guys, too, but wake up people.

    5. j
      November 28th, 2007 | 11:40 am

      Pass on 1 and 2, and probably pass on 3.

      Melky/Kennedy/Horne I could live with. The Yankees strength is in pitching prospects, and if you land Santana, you’re quibbling over who is going to be your #5 starter in 2009 (not even in 2008) if Pettite comes back. When you start wanting to pluck guys like Cano, Jackson, and Tabata .. position players with high ceilings.. the answer has to be no.

    6. Exit9
      November 28th, 2007 | 11:54 am

      The Twins will ask too much, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I’m leaning towards trading for Haren instead. I’m just too freaking curious to see what Joba and Hughes can do this year. Either way this will be a pivotal statement off-season for Hank in his first year. He seems reasonable enough so far. If Santana goes to the NL, ok, but if he lands in Boston or Anaheim, that’s a problem.

    7. Rich
      November 28th, 2007 | 12:00 pm

      The first two proposals don’t pass the laugh test. When you factor in the contract that Santana wants, no team will likely give the Twins anything close that, no matter how many worthless anonymous quotes Caldera prints to support those ridiculous proposals.

    8. JohnnyC
      November 28th, 2007 | 12:30 pm

      Again, it’s in Santana’s hands. If he really, as has been reported, prefers to play for the Yankees, then he can simply decline any other trade proposal…even a better one for the Twins. If it’s simply the biggest paycheck he’s after, he knows no one’s going to outbid us. The Twins really have no real leverage. If this is the true scenario, they’ll have to take the Yankees’ best offer…or settle for a lesser package in July 08 (since he’ll only be a 2 month rental at that point).

    9. minikraft
      November 28th, 2007 | 12:44 pm

      It doesnt matter if Santana says he wants to play for the Yankees. The twins would rather just stash him on the bench and get nothing in return for him than give him to us for that last scenario. Or they’ll just give him to the sox for the PEDroia and ellsbury/crisp Anyways, here’s hoping that last scenario will get the twins to bite.

    10. A Tampa Yankee in King George's Court
      November 28th, 2007 | 1:38 pm


      LOL, good one with the PEDroia. I doubt that little midget has gotten within a football field of baseball PED’s but one must wonder whether he needs drugs to help enhance his performance in other areas of life. 🙂

      On Johan, I really dont think the Twins will trade him to the Yanks because they dont want the negative publicity. You can trade him to any of the other 28 teams without worry but the second you do a deal with the “Evil Empire” your fans turn on you, the prospects or players you acquire are viewed as overrated, and once again you get the calls for a salary cap for baseball. It is a double standard and all Yankee fans have come to recognize this.

    11. baileywalk
      November 28th, 2007 | 1:39 pm

      I agree with Rich on this one. As good as Santana is, the Twins can’t expect a team to unload all their best young players for a guy they will have to turn around and give 125 million dollars. It just won’t happen. Haren comes with a reasonable contract. Miguel Cabrera is still relatively cheap. But Johan wants a six/seven-year contract.

      What would normally be a league-wide bidding war is really narrowing down to two or three teams. And the Yankees have to top that list because they have valuable young players and the money. Considering his contract demands, I think a package of Ian Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, and maybe another lesser prospect is pretty good.

      And, minikraft, if the Twins just stash Santana on the bench, that’s even better for the Yanks. Because he becomes a free agent after the year and all they need to get him is money.

      Something to keep in mind — and rub your hands over — is that if Santana gets his 125 million (and he will) then Peavy will want something similar, which means he might reach free agency too.

    12. minikraft
      November 28th, 2007 | 2:13 pm

      no, its really not. while the sox got schilling for nothing and broke their 86 yr drought and then got beckett for a couple of decent prospects, we’ll have to wait a year rather than just giving them the melkman and ian kennedy the way the sox would only have to give up lester and crispies.

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