Rough Day In The Bronx?
Posted by Steve L. on December 13th, 2007 · Comments (23)
From Bob Klapisch –
According to one industry official, “several” prominent Yankees will be named by Mitchell in his 2 p.m. news conference in Manhattan. The official, who spoke to a third party who’d seen the final report, predicted, “It’s going to be a rough day in the Bronx” after the identities are made public.
As long as it’s not Paul O’Neill, I can deal with whatever names they want to throw out there.
Shane Spencer? If true, who cares?
Tino Martinez? Chuck Knoblauch? Hey, there was no rules or testing back in those days. At least they were “cheating” – if it claims they were – to win.
Jorge Posada? If true, it would not be shocking.
But, if it’s Paulie, well, it would bother me – because I like the guy so much.
This report has no credibility to me. George Mitchell worked for the Red Sox, and will return to being paid by the Red Sox after the report is done. And the fact that Mitchell was seen at Red Sox games getting autographs from Red Sox players for his kid while the investigation was ongoing shows how far his conflict of interest has gone. To be honest, Mitchell had an obligation as a lawyer to recuse himself from this investigation and the fact that he didnt, proves he wanted the power this investigation gave him.
As much as I like to say I don’t care, I have to admit that Paulie would bother me. Probably Mo and Jeter too. But, again, I wouldn’t be shocked if any of those names show up in the report.
Steve – what about Girardi? Would that bother you?
~~~Steve – what about Girardi? Would that bother you? ~~~
Only in that they didn’t work and he didn’t hit better when he was here.
Supposedly, the list has been leaked (RLYW);
Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa,
Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJa
on Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood, Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte.
Reports are saying that the investigation focuses on what the trainers said. We know that trainers were asked (pressured) to “guess” who did steroids. So why should we believe any of this? Why should I take the word of a trainer over the word of the ballplayer? If some trainer says he gave Albert Pujols steroids and he denies it, why should I believe the trainer and not Pujols?
Gary Matthews Jr., Rick Ankiel and Troy Glaus all bought steroids and HGH. But that wasn’t enough proof to suspend them. It seems like the burden of proof is much lower to be included in this report. One-sided testimony — where you are not able to cross-examine someone and find out their motivation — is meaningless.
This whole report reeked from the beginning. It’s all about Selig trying to wipe his image clean. Going back and basically speculating on who did what is so pointless. All we’re going to get today is a bunch of names and then a bunch of denials. People will get the opportunity to hate on players from their rival’s team, the media will get to trash certain people, and that’s it. One big waste of time.
~~Supposedly, the list has been leaked~~
I think that’s someone playing a game.
Mark Prior, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Jason Varitek, Jeff Bagwell, Aaron Boone, Milton Bradley, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Roger Clemens, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsworth, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jose Guillen, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darryl Kile, Raul Mondesi, Trot Nixon, Andy Pettitte.
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Those are the big or surprising names.
I think that’s someone playing a game.
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Which would not surprise me in the least.
WNBC has the same list.
http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
The list on WNBC is the same as Raf’s.
Here’s the list…. http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
No great suprises to me. Clemens, Andy, Damon, Farns, Giambi, Mondesi, Heredia and Sheff.
Andy is probably the only one I wouldn’t have guessed.
Damon probably was under the needle while in Boston, along with Nixon, Tavarez, and Varitek. Surprised to not see Manny or Ortiz, but then again, Mitchell is on the payroll.
I’d guess Clemens, Pujols, Pudge were hurt most by this. Going to be a group of HOF voters that will hold this against them.
I’d guess Clemens, Pujols, Pudge were hurt most by this. Going to be a group of HOF voters that will hold this against them.
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I would add Bagwell to that list.
MSNBC just said MLB is refuting some of the names….
http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
The list was already posted in here four times. It’s still not definitive. Two baseball officials disputed a few names.
Clemens is getting all the pub, but Pujols would be second, for sure.
Mark Prior is another name I’m surprised to see there.
We still don’t know what “evidence” they have, though.
Andy? No way. I have that sick feeling I had when I was a little kid and Doc Gooden’s coke issue broke out.
Because of what I think of the entire steroids frenzy, I actually hope names like O’Neill are on it. I want the nonsense to be seen for what it is, nonsense, and if the icons are listed: Pettitte, O’Neill, Varitek, Bagwell, Biggio, Chipper Jones, Eckstein- all the scrubbed clean, good role model, great citizen ballplayers, it should create a backlash and distaste for the Seligs and Mitchells and the sanctimonious sportwriters who foisted this idiocy on us.
Can’t you just see the talk radio screamers? You mean they caught Brady Anderson and not Luis Gonzalez? You mean Manny isn’t on the list, or Ortiz? Who else is there?
Here is my list. The following people took amphetamines all during their careers and their records should be asterisked: Mays, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Koufax, Bunning, Gibson, Seaver, Bench, Morgan, Maris. Let’s get Mitchell on the job to check if I am right.
Then we can hunt down some other era’s players for their illegal activities.
“Surprised to not see Manny or Ortiz, but then again, Mitchell is on the payroll.”
Yes, that’s it. Conspiracy! Everyone on that staff is red sox fans. Keep that tin foil cap on tight.
I agree with Bob.
And I want to add that there is a far more serious problem that needs to be addressed. It’s time to address the crisis caused by performance enhancing boogers.
I don’t need to prove boogers enhance performance. The precedent has already been set. If people don’t have to prove that steroids improve the specific skills involved in baseball success, then I don’t have to prove that boogers do it. And, even if it is true that steroids do improve it (which might be the case), NOBODY has ever proven that X’s stats were inflated above the decrease caused by a competition’s use. So, I don’t need to do it with boogers.
I will be more impressed when they come out with a Randy Levine Report. Maybe we can then find out who really used steroids since there is no conflict of interest there. First name on that list…..Joe Torre.
Yes, that’s it. Conspiracy! Everyone on that staff is red sox fans. Keep that tin foil cap on tight.
Posted by: jakes [TypeKey Profile Page]Quote Mitchell has no business investigating other team’s players when he is a director of the Red Sox.And does anyone think that Papi or Manny is clean?C’mon ,this is ridiculous!If Giuliani,who is a hard charger AND a Yankee fan,was behind this do you think people would be questioning his objectivity?Of course and he’s only a fan and not a director of a club!He even roots for the AL team in the playoffs!:)This whole thing is like a kangaroo court!It’s a joke………..
butchie22
I like your analogy of Rudy Giuliani. That is about as close as you can get. And Rudy doesnt even work for the Yankees.
Time to ban PEB’s, Lee!
~~ Yes, that’s it. Conspiracy! Everyone on that staff is red sox fans. Keep that tin foil cap on tight. ~~
Jakes, we condemn politicians on a daily basis for the mere appearance of impropriety. Senator Mitchell – a politician – should be held to the same standard now that we held him to earlier in his career.
I have no idea whether or not his finger was on the scale protecting Red Sox players, but MLB has left the report open to question because of Senator Mitchell’s affiliation with the Red Sox. Shouldn’t baseball have done everything possible to remove even the appearance of impropriety?