~~I find it intersting that you find a way to take credit away from Cashman for signing Melky and Cano but put the blame squarely on him for passing on David wright.~~

fair point – and, I now take that back, on Wright

I find it intersting that you find a way to take credit away from Cashman for signing Melky and Cano but put the blame squarely on him for passing on David wright.

I think many of these moves belong under the no impact heading.

The most glaring mis-classification is the Karsay signing. Karsay was very good in 2002, and may have turned out to be productive had he not been injured. Also, Cashman hasn’t always swung and missed on the bullpen since 2001. Tom Gordon wasn’t a good, but a great late inning reliever for the Yankees from 2004-2005. Also, Scott Proctor, who Cashman got for a lame duck Ventura, turned in a very valuable 2006 season. As much as we’d all like to have a bullpen full of great arms, I think most teams have to settle for 2 or 3 reliable arms and fill in the rest.

EVERYONE have big swing and misses in the drafts. it’s really pointless unless the drafts are utter failures in every sense possible (see Astro’s draft this year… or the Pirate’s draft …)

Boston picked Jason Place (who hit belowed the mendoza line in rookie ball this year) and Daniel Bard (who walked almost twice as many guys as he whiffed ) this last year before Joba Chamberlian, should Theo jump off a cliff?

Lee- Texas choose Arias from a group of prospects the Yanks made available, a group that included Robbie Cano. If nothing else, Arias’ tools helped keep Cano a Yank.

Off Topic:

Anybody else watching yankees classic on yes right now? This is one of the most interesting games they’ve had on this show, the game in reference being 4/26/05. This was a day when the unthinkable happened, where 1 man stepped up his game to levels we would never see since. Thats right. Carl Pavano pitched. He got the W.

Given that the Yankees already had Wilson, Sojo and Bellinger in the system, how did trading Jimenez turn out to be a bad move? We had no need for a backup infielder, which is what Jimenez turned out to be, and got some league-average innings out of Witasick. Similar for Wohlers.

These lists tend to be a bit harsh on Cash.

Myrow went to LA for Sturtze, Arias went to Texas for A-Rod.

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OK, I’ll agree that you have a point with Myrow.

He was traded straight up for Sturtze. So, let’s attribute Sturtze’s performance to the signing of Myrow.

-15 RSAA and an ERA slightly over 3/4 of a run worse than the league average.

That’s not a good impact.

As far as Arias is concerned, I did err on him. I was thinking he was a pitcher and only checked his pitching stats in the CBE. He did have 11 AB in the majors in 2006.

But, I don’t consider him to be too much a part of the Rodriguez trade. At that point, he was an 18 year old who had sucked in A ball (.649 OPS). If he wasn’t around to be thrown into the deal, we could easily have found someone else who sucked in A ball to take his place.

***Neither Brian Myrow nor Joaquin Arias ever threw a single pitch in the majors. How were they good impacts?***

Myrow went to LA for Sturtze, Arias went to Texas for A-Rod.

I think Wright and Shelley should get “incomplete” grades more than anything, for obvious reasons.

I don’t understand some of your classifications.

Neither Brian Myrow nor Joaquin Arias ever threw a single pitch in the majors. How were they good impacts?

Getting -14 career RCAA is great impact (Melky Cabrera). Getting -1 RCAA (Henry Rodriguez) is bad.

Getting 11 RSAA from Steve Karsay was bad.

What good impact has Chase Wright provided?

-9 RCAA and .240 OBA (Todd Greene) is a good impact