Pettitte & Clemens Were Never Spooners?
Via Ken Davidoff -
Andy Pettitte is said by friends to be upset with Roger Clemens because of Clemens’ aggressive defense to the charges leveled against him in the Mitchell Report. Most of all, Pettitte didn’t care for Clemens’ public airing of his taped phone call with accuser Brian McNamee, which accomplished little.
Among its many unexpected consequences, the Mitchell Report has magnified just how different Clemens and Pettitte are. And with the two men set to share a table at Capitol Hill’s Rayburn Hall next month, it’s as good a time as any to point out that this supposed mentor-protege’s relationship has been overblown by the media — with this space as guilty as anyone else.
“They were never as close as they were made out to be,” a friend of both said on the condition of anonymity. “They just sort of went along with it in the media, because it was a good story.”
Though Clemens and Pettitte enjoyed working out together, their relationship didn’t extend much beyond that. Clemens is an extrovert, Pettitte an introvert. Clemens enjoyed going out after games on road trips; Pettitte almost always stayed in. Their families aren’t particularly close, although both make the Houston area their full-time residences.
First A-Rod & Jeter, and, now, this? Doesn’t anyone know what the last “F” in “BFF” is supposed to mean?
I would say this strengthens Clemens’ case that just because Pettitte used HGH doesn’t mean he did. It also means that just because Pettitte knew about/wanted to use HGH doesn’t mean Clemens did. And it means that just because Brian McNamee gave Pettitte HGH doesn’t mean he gave it to Clemens too. All those connections die if Andy and Roger weren’t really that close — not close enough to share their pharmaceutical proclivities with each other.
The thing that annoys me the most about all this is that McNamee denied, denied, denied that Clemens ever did anything — until he was threatened with jail time. At that point he sang like a bird. Idiots like Jon Heyman say this proves he’s telling the truth, but if you’ve ever dealt with desperate suspects, the opposite is true: if you tell someone their information will get them out of jail, they make up anything you want to hear. So it is logical that McNamee made up his story about Roger because he was too much of a punk to face jail time. It’s happened before, and I wouldn’t be shocked if it happened here.
No one can really be this stupid.
THEY SHARED THE SAME TRAINER, THE SAME TRAINING ROUTINE
The real significance of this story is not that Andy wouldn’t know about Clemens use of PEDs (or vice versa) but that with Andy annoyed at Clemens’ denials and his treatment of McNamee, it is now more likely than ever that if Andy knew, he’s not going to protect Clemens.
It is unbelievable that you are incapable of understanding that under one set of circumstances – working with clients and providing steroids and HGH to them – the result is one story (No steroids, its all hard work, blah blah blah) because that is what is in the interests of your meal-tickets, your clients, and that in a different set of circumstances – tell the truth, or face jail time on steroids distribution, the TRUTH comes out.
Its is asinine to impugn his honesty when his only course to avoid jail time IS TO TELL THE TRUTH. If he has falsely accused Clemens, and those facts come out, McNamee goes to jail. Why would he risk that? Why would he completely false accusations if lying to the Feds will result in charges of steroid distribution???
His plea deal absolutely strengthens his credibility. Fortunately, a former prosecutor like George Mitchell understands that. On the other hand, you, a contemptible moron, can’t.
Okay, Steve, I’m looking at you here. Dan is a subhuman imbecile. That’s his problem. This is YOUR web site. At what point are you going to finally ban this guy? He has never once come here to have a legitimate baseball discussion. He personally insults your readers and his sole purpose is to stir up trouble. Exactly how long will you let this go on without even a word?
Baileywalk is correct. Insults are childish. Come on Dan, grow up.
Although:
“He personally insults your readers”
“Dan is a subhuman imbecile”
You might want to take your own advice baileywalk.
That said, at this point I’m not sure how anyone other than a clemens apologist or someone with their head in the sand can believe that the chances are not at least weighted in the favor of clemens being gulity.
Even without looking at the evidence clemens has acted the part of a guilty man. Now he’s hired yet another high priced lawyer. In the end, unless something drastically new surfaces, the few that believe clemens simply on the basis of his ANGER (that’s all he’s shown so far) will be drown out by those who use common sense and logic.
Dan’s issues aside, Steve, here’s my question:
What’s with the suggestion that Clemens and Petite are gay?
Why would you suggest that two male friends who are close friends are “spooning” and whatever crude thing I think you were driving at with that BFF comment?
Not too enlightened, if you ask me.
(And please don’t give us yet another “hey, lighten up, can’t you take a joke” comment. That’s getting old.)
~~Not too enlightened, if you ask me.~~
I agree, only in the sense that I didn’t know you had to be gay to spoon. I thought that, to spoon, was to cuddle up with each other. I was just “playing” on them being as close as close friend could be – and did not mean to imply that they were gay.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
i don’t know about you, steve, but in my experience heterosexual males don’t spoon. let me know if you’ve got a different perspective.
i know. you are just “playing” jokes in this case. or letting us “draw our own conclusions” like you did about about Brad Wilkerson and steroid abuse.
bloggers are supposed to have a point of view. i actually like your site. but if you want to make jokes about homosexuality or accuse ballplayers of steroid use, i wish you’d just do it and stand behind it, instead of doing it but then backing down and telling us to “lighten up”.
take a stand, man.