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	<title>Comments on: Kalkman: Historical Yankee Fielding</title>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/03/09/kalkman-historical-yankee-fielding/comment-page-1/#comment-28412</link>
		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m SHOCKED there isn&#039;t a bigger response.  Are these fielding numbers not that interesting?  Not that believable?  Not that different from expectations?

Are the Don Mattingly and Derek Jeter supporters working on full length manifestos?

Nobody&#039;s even mentioned Brooks Robinson as the reason Clete Boyer never won a GG, which is a decent argument.  Robinson saved the most runs relative to position of any player over the past 50 years, including Ozzie Smith and Mark Belanger.  (The two SS&#039;s were more valuable fielders, however, because shortstop is a more valuable position than third base by at least five runs per season.)

Robinson &#039;56 to &#039;77: 0	3	7	12	16	15	18	10	16	6	3	32	30	26	10	20	19	21	16	19	0	1

Boyer &#039;59 to &#039;72: 1	15	30	29	13	15	8	13	-1	6	2	9	1

By TotalZone&#039;s calculations, Boyer was the better fielder from 1961 to 1966, although &#039;61, &#039;62, and &#039;66 were the only season where the advantage was at least 10 runs.  From 1967 through 1975, Robinson was superhuman, AVERAGING over 20 runs per season better than average.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Sky');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_28412','Sky');" /></div><span id="co_28412"><p>I&#8217;m SHOCKED there isn&#8217;t a bigger response.  Are these fielding numbers not that interesting?  Not that believable?  Not that different from expectations?</p>
<p>Are the Don Mattingly and Derek Jeter supporters working on full length manifestos?</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s even mentioned Brooks Robinson as the reason Clete Boyer never won a GG, which is a decent argument.  Robinson saved the most runs relative to position of any player over the past 50 years, including Ozzie Smith and Mark Belanger.  (The two SS&#8217;s were more valuable fielders, however, because shortstop is a more valuable position than third base by at least five runs per season.)</p>
<p>Robinson &#8217;56 to &#8217;77: 0	3	7	12	16	15	18	10	16	6	3	32	30	26	10	20	19	21	16	19	0	1</p>
<p>Boyer &#8217;59 to &#8217;72: 1	15	30	29	13	15	8	13	-1	6	2	9	1</p>
<p>By TotalZone&#8217;s calculations, Boyer was the better fielder from 1961 to 1966, although &#8217;61, &#8217;62, and &#8217;66 were the only season where the advantage was at least 10 runs.  From 1967 through 1975, Robinson was superhuman, AVERAGING over 20 runs per season better than average.</p>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careers at one position, all teams

1B Dougie M  +32
1B Giambi  -7
1B Phillilps  +2

2B Cano  +9

SS ARod  +59

3B ARod  -8

LF Matsui  -34

CF Damon  +28
CF Melky  +3

RF Abreu  +13
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Sky');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_28411','Sky');" /></div><span id="co_28411"><p>Careers at one position, all teams</p>
<p>1B Dougie M  +32<br />
1B Giambi  -7<br />
1B Phillilps  +2</p>
<p>2B Cano  +9</p>
<p>SS ARod  +59</p>
<p>3B ARod  -8</p>
<p>LF Matsui  -34</p>
<p>CF Damon  +28<br />
CF Melky  +3</p>
<p>RF Abreu  +13</p>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/03/09/kalkman-historical-yankee-fielding/comment-page-1/#comment-28410</link>
		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2007, combining all positions:

Robinson Cano	9
Melky Cabrera	8
Alex Rodriguez	1
Shelley Duncan	1
Kevin Thompson	1
Alberto Gonzale	0
Wil Nieves	0
Andy Phillips	0
Chris Basak	0
Jorge Posada	0
Wilson Betemit	-1
Jason Giambi	-1
Josh Phelps	-1
Doug Mientkiewi	-1
Bronson Sardinh	-1
Johnny Damon	-1
Miguel Cairo	-3
Bobby Abreu	-3
Hideki Matsui	-8
Derek Jeter	-20

For recent seasons, I would pay attention to UZR or PMR (available at baseballmusings.com) instead of just STATS zone rating.  They&#039;re a step or two better.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Sky');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_28410','Sky');" /></div><span id="co_28410"><p>2007, combining all positions:</p>
<p>Robinson Cano	9<br />
Melky Cabrera	8<br />
Alex Rodriguez	1<br />
Shelley Duncan	1<br />
Kevin Thompson	1<br />
Alberto Gonzale	0<br />
Wil Nieves	0<br />
Andy Phillips	0<br />
Chris Basak	0<br />
Jorge Posada	0<br />
Wilson Betemit	-1<br />
Jason Giambi	-1<br />
Josh Phelps	-1<br />
Doug Mientkiewi	-1<br />
Bronson Sardinh	-1<br />
Johnny Damon	-1<br />
Miguel Cairo	-3<br />
Bobby Abreu	-3<br />
Hideki Matsui	-8<br />
Derek Jeter	-20</p>
<p>For recent seasons, I would pay attention to UZR or PMR (available at baseballmusings.com) instead of just STATS zone rating.  They&#8217;re a step or two better.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would it be possible to show the current yankees rosters last season and career numbers?
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