• Rosenthal: Cashman Should Go “Johnny Paycheck” On Hank

    Posted by on April 24th, 2008 · Comments (7)

    Ken Rosenthal thinks that Brian Cashman should “bolt” from the Yankees at the end of this season.

    Did you know that the last Yankees G.M. to leave the team, and then go on to be a G.M. for another team was Bob Quinn, Sr.?

    Quinn resigned from the Yankees on October 13, 1989 to take the G.M. spot for the Cincinnati Reds. Good timing for him – as the Reds won a ring in 1990.

    Woody Woodward was the Yankees G.M. in 1987. The next season, he was the G.M for the Philadelphia Phillies. And, after that year, he was the G.M. for the Seattle Mariners for the next 11 seasons.

    Murray Cook was the Yankees G.M. in 1984. The next season, he was the G.M for the Montreal Expos. And, after three years there, he was the G.M. for the Cincinnati Reds for the next two seasons – - until the aformentioned Bob Quinn, Sr. took over from him.

    Bill Bergesch was the Yankees G.M. in 1983. In 1984, he was kicked down to be Murray Cook’s assistant. And, in 1985, he became the G.M. for the Cincinnati Reds – - until the aformentioned Murray Cook took over from him.

    So, there’s an interesting study. Bergesch, Cook and Quinn were the Reds G.M.’s from 1985 to 1992. And, Bergesch, Cook and Quinn were the Yankees G.M.’s – for the most part – from 1982 to 1989. Those Reds teams finished 1st, once, and 2nd, five times. Those Yankees teams were only good in 1985 and 1986 – - but, that’s when Clyde King was the G.M. (after Cook and before Quinn).

    Would Brian Cashman do better outside of New York too? It would be interesting to see how this plays out, if it happens that he does “bolt” from Hank.

    Comments on Rosenthal: Cashman Should Go “Johnny Paycheck” On Hank

    1. MJ
      April 24th, 2008 | 5:47 pm

      Would Brian Cashman do better outside of New York too?
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      Based on your theories, no, he’d be an abject failure.

    2. April 24th, 2008 | 10:05 pm

      Maybe, maybe not. If you don’t have the deep pockets and players to waste on guys like Javier Vazquez, Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano, and Kei Igawa, then you can never get them and look bad in the process. Maybe having no money to spend is the thing that will make Cashman look great?

    3. Rich
      April 24th, 2008 | 10:11 pm

      I believe that Cash is staying as a result of his relationship with Hal, and I’m willing to take the heat in the event that I’m wrong.

    4. MJ
      April 25th, 2008 | 8:37 am

      Maybe having no money to spend is the thing that will make Cashman look great?
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      Meaning that without money he’d have to rely on scouting and minor league development, right? Isn’t that what he’s been trying to do since November 2005? You’re being slightly inconsistent now…

    5. hopbitters
      April 25th, 2008 | 11:58 am

      Personally, I think he’d probably do better elsewhere. His strength is not in talent evaluation, but in getting players to sign and in getting other teams to trade away their players for a bag of stale potato chips. That ability is more significant on teams that don’t choose to spend their money on players.

    6. Raf
      April 25th, 2008 | 2:23 pm

      You’re being slightly inconsistent now…
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      A byproduct of the topic. Every GM has their bad trades, or misjudged talent or free agent bust. Every organization has a different dynamic.

      Too many variables to take into consideration, in these kinds of discussions IMO.

    7. February 5th, 2009 | 10:09 pm

      [...] there’s a keeper. Brian Cashman and Bill Bergesch. Two G.M.’s cut from the same mold. In fact, it’s almost like looking at a [...]

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