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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/05/20/hank-yes-to-bats-no-to-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-30822</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

It has already been pointed out that there are 5 OF&#039;s on the team, with several more in the system.

I&#039;ll gladly trade my kool-aid for some of whatever it is you&#039;re smoking.</description>
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<p>It has already been pointed out that there are 5 OF&#8217;s on the team, with several more in the system.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll gladly trade my kool-aid for some of whatever it is you&#8217;re smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/05/20/hank-yes-to-bats-no-to-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-30818</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 02:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More excuses for saint Brian than Yankees losses.

Wah! Too many OF&#039;ers. Don&#039;t pick up Abreu&#039;s option, get rid of Damon, by any means. Takes care of the &#039;overcrowding&#039;.

Keep drinkin&#039; the Ca$hman Kool-Aid boyos.</description>
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<p>Wah! Too many OF&#8217;ers. Don&#8217;t pick up Abreu&#8217;s option, get rid of Damon, by any means. Takes care of the &#8216;overcrowding&#8217;.</p>
<p>Keep drinkin&#8217; the Ca$hman Kool-Aid boyos.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/05/20/hank-yes-to-bats-no-to-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-30789</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outside of Small’s magic, and lucky, season, what large body of work have these guys done for NY?
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Goalposts are being moved...

The point was that &quot;That is why saint Brian missed out on a Ryan Church.&quot;  My point was that

1. There was no reason to go after a Ryan Church, be it the player or his type (productive, low-salaried players)

2. That those kind of players (productive low-salaried) players, have been acquired by the Yanks.

Anyway, since you asked;
Bruney: 519 ERA+ in 2006, performing well before injury this year.

Rasner: Made team out of ST 2007, injured same, above average all 3 seasons with the Yanks

Small: &quot;magic, and lucky, season&quot; 2005

Britton: Has done the job when given a chance, and there&#039;s the benefit of not having Jaret Wright around; Britton has pitched more that Wright since the trade had been made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_30789','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_30789"><p>Outside of Small’s magic, and lucky, season, what large body of work have these guys done for NY?<br />
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Goalposts are being moved&#8230;</p>
<p>The point was that &#8220;That is why saint Brian missed out on a Ryan Church.&#8221;  My point was that</p>
<p>1. There was no reason to go after a Ryan Church, be it the player or his type (productive, low-salaried players)</p>
<p>2. That those kind of players (productive low-salaried) players, have been acquired by the Yanks.</p>
<p>Anyway, since you asked;<br />
Bruney: 519 ERA+ in 2006, performing well before injury this year.</p>
<p>Rasner: Made team out of ST 2007, injured same, above average all 3 seasons with the Yanks</p>
<p>Small: &#8220;magic, and lucky, season&#8221; 2005</p>
<p>Britton: Has done the job when given a chance, and there&#8217;s the benefit of not having Jaret Wright around; Britton has pitched more that Wright since the trade had been made.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why saint Brian missed out on a Ryan Church. 
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Well, besides what Raf said about the overcrowded outfield, which is true, who were we going to offer the Nats that was more attractive than a 23-year-old centerfielder?  Would you have traded Melky for him?  Or Austin Jackson?

When that Milledge trade was made, most people thought the Mets were selling low, even though they were getting back two useful players.  It&#039;s not like Church was handed away.  And I don&#039;t think any GM can be held responsible for every other team&#039;s successful moves.</description>
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&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Well, besides what Raf said about the overcrowded outfield, which is true, who were we going to offer the Nats that was more attractive than a 23-year-old centerfielder?  Would you have traded Melky for him?  Or Austin Jackson?</p>
<p>When that Milledge trade was made, most people thought the Mets were selling low, even though they were getting back two useful players.  It&#8217;s not like Church was handed away.  And I don&#8217;t think any GM can be held responsible for every other team&#8217;s successful moves.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~~Bruney, Rasner, Small, Britton, etc, etc.~~

Outside of Small&#039;s magic, and lucky, season, what large body of work have these guys done for NY?</description>
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<p>Outside of Small&#8217;s magic, and lucky, season, what large body of work have these guys done for NY?</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why saint Brian missed out on a Ryan Church.
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No space...  The OF is at least 5 deep, not counting the guys on the farm.  Given the durability &amp; potency, (as well as limited flexibility) of the Yankees&#039; lineup, it&#039;s not surprising that &quot;saint Bryan&quot; missed on Ryan Church.  Wasn&#039;t a reason to show interest in him.

OTOH, the pitching staff (a noted trouble spot) has seen a few effective low-buck pickups over the years; Bruney, Rasner, Small, Britton, etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_30779','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_30779"><p>That is why saint Brian missed out on a Ryan Church.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
No space&#8230;  The OF is at least 5 deep, not counting the guys on the farm.  Given the durability &amp; potency, (as well as limited flexibility) of the Yankees&#8217; lineup, it&#8217;s not surprising that &#8220;saint Bryan&#8221; missed on Ryan Church.  Wasn&#8217;t a reason to show interest in him.</p>
<p>OTOH, the pitching staff (a noted trouble spot) has seen a few effective low-buck pickups over the years; Bruney, Rasner, Small, Britton, etc, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why saint Brian missed out on a  Ryan Church. What is needed is the sharp eyed-era of Gene Michael and Bob Watson. Or must every veteran be making a  minimum of $10 million? The Betemit obsession notwithstanding.

That is the Papa Steinbrenner way of &#039;building&#039; a team, names, names, names. Only great effort, and Prince Hal, made certain that Johan Santana would not be a Yankee for $150+ million. They lost the A-Freud battle though, with that albatross of a  contract.

When Papa was sat down, the result was great success, on the field. Since Papa, and now Sonny, are running the ship, well it will be a minimum of nine years between a WS victory. &#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Don');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_30776','Don');" /></div><span id="co_30776"><p>That is why saint Brian missed out on a  Ryan Church. What is needed is the sharp eyed-era of Gene Michael and Bob Watson. Or must every veteran be making a  minimum of $10 million? The Betemit obsession notwithstanding.</p>
<p>That is the Papa Steinbrenner way of &#8216;building&#8217; a team, names, names, names. Only great effort, and Prince Hal, made certain that Johan Santana would not be a Yankee for $150+ million. They lost the A-Freud battle though, with that albatross of a  contract.</p>
<p>When Papa was sat down, the result was great success, on the field. Since Papa, and now Sonny, are running the ship, well it will be a minimum of nine years between a WS victory. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Yankees need to put a greater emphasis on statistical analysis. That doesn&#039;t mean to ignore scouting, but I would use it to supplement sabermetric principles, not to supercede them.

They traded Rogers for Brosius, right? I see that as a deal of opportunity. As for Tino, that trade points to being able to sagaciously analyze/scout one&#039;s own system. With the surplus of young talent the Yankees are accumulating, they need to be very good at that aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Rich');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_30774','Rich');" /></div><span id="co_30774"><p>I think the Yankees need to put a greater emphasis on statistical analysis. That doesn&#8217;t mean to ignore scouting, but I would use it to supplement sabermetric principles, not to supercede them.</p>
<p>They traded Rogers for Brosius, right? I see that as a deal of opportunity. As for Tino, that trade points to being able to sagaciously analyze/scout one&#8217;s own system. With the surplus of young talent the Yankees are accumulating, they need to be very good at that aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno.  It&#039;s not like he&#039;s saying no to stats...just that he&#039;s saying you can&#039;t go 100% by the stats alone.  

I can dig that.

The stats, alone, would have said that playing Scott Brosius was a mistake...and, the stats alone said that Tino Martinez was over-hyped...yet, those guys had something to offer that only a scout could see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_30770','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_30770"><p>I dunno.  It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s saying no to stats&#8230;just that he&#8217;s saying you can&#8217;t go 100% by the stats alone.  </p>
<p>I can dig that.</p>
<p>The stats, alone, would have said that playing Scott Brosius was a mistake&#8230;and, the stats alone said that Tino Martinez was over-hyped&#8230;yet, those guys had something to offer that only a scout could see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the most troubling thing that I have read from Hank to date.</description>
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