• “The Process Has Started”

    Posted by on May 21st, 2008 · Comments (16)

    …meaning the process of converting Joba Chamberlain to being a starting pitcher…so says Joe Girardi, to Kim Jones, on YES, during the post-game on the field interview (when asked about Joba going two innings today).


    Comments on “The Process Has Started”

    1. baileywalk
      May 21st, 2008 | 10:31 pm

      Good news. It’s also good they’re not doing something dumb like sending him down, which was the word early on. All they need to do is slowly increase his innings — from two to three to four to six, etc. Billingsley (who’s been brilliant this year, by the way) did it last year and it’s not a hard process. Should give a boost to the team and be exciting to watch for the fans.

    2. Rich
      May 21st, 2008 | 10:46 pm

      I’m psyched.

    3. Joel
      May 21st, 2008 | 10:47 pm

      Well folks, that does it for the best back end of a bullpen in baseball. At any rate, it’s good to see Joba take Johan Santana’s spot in the rotation. I’ll be sure to have my Maalox ready as Farnsworth and Hawkins try to get us through the 7th and 8th.

      Oh, and about that Kennedy guy and that Hughes kid…

    4. Rich
      May 21st, 2008 | 10:51 pm

      The problem is that they weren’t getting to the back end of the pen enough, and it’s also about more than this season.

      Melancon will be up soon, as will Cox.

    5. baileywalk
      May 21st, 2008 | 10:57 pm

      I think the guy who will be up is Robertson, who’s in AAA right now with Cox. Cox was aggressively promoted, and he’s done well, but I don’t think he’s quite ready yet. Robertson has been healthy all year and he’s dominated. Melancon still has to get to AAA.

      Scott Patterson, who had not been brilliant to start the year, has come around.

      So the bottom line is that the Yankees have guys they can stick in the eighth inning — and it won’t be Farnsworth or Hawkins. It’ll whoever steps up among Edwar, Robertson, Cox or maybe even Melancon or Patterson.

    6. baileywalk
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:00 pm

      Oh, and about that Kennedy guy and that Hughes kid…

      Speaking of that. One would have to assume that outside of a collapse by Rasner, it’s Moose or Kennedy leaving the rotation. Makes more sense to just send Kennedy down, unless Moose falls apart. Which means Kennedy’s job is less than secure. If Hughes comes back strong from his injury, who leaves the rotation then? Or do they leave him in AAA for the year or even do something crazy like stick him in the bullpen?

      That would be something — Hughes being the setup man, taking over for Joba. Probably not going to happen, but I guess it’s an idea they could toy with.

    7. Joel
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:22 pm

      Are you all serious? They have guys they “can stick in” the 8th inning? They have crap. We’ll be lucky if one of these kids they’re rushing through the system are as good as Ohlendorf let alone Joba.

      But don’t worry. We’ve been instructed by Minister of Propaganda Peter Abraham that our $200 million team with three first ballot Hall of Famers is officially in “transition” and we shouldn’t have to “sweat every pitch.”

    8. Rich
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:27 pm

      The difference between Ohlendorf and Joba is wide. They can fill that chasm pretty easily.

    9. Joel
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:35 pm

      Don’t fool yourself, Rich. By the time everything shakes out the 8th inning is going to belong to General Joe’s pet renovation project, Kyle Farnsworth.

    10. yankeemonkey
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:47 pm


      Why is it so hard to understand that an ace starter is infinitely more valuable than a lights-out 8th inning guy? What good does it do to have Joba in the bullpen to protect leads if they are down 10-0 by the 5th inning??!?

      No one says that Joba will definitely be an ace. But you have to give him the opportunity – if he fails, he can always slot right back in the ‘pen. Between the 4532 relievers they have on the roster and in AA/AAA, I’m sure they’ll cobble together a decent relief corps. Ace starter pitchers don’t grow on trees. Decent relievers do.

    11. Joel
      May 21st, 2008 | 11:54 pm

      –I’m sure they’ll cobble together a decent relief corps.–

      It’s been eight years. I’m still waiting for the cobbling to come together.


    12. baileywalk
      May 22nd, 2008 | 12:07 am

      They have guys they “can stick in” the 8th inning? They have crap.

      No offense, Joel, but what do you know about Robertson, Cox and Melancon? Did you even know they existed? Did you even see Robertson’s numbers over his career? But you’re willing to call them crap?

      All three were college closers. Melancon is just coming on right now, returning from surgery, and Cox and Robertson both dominated in the minors.

      I don’t understand why you find it impossible to believe one of these guys can pitch effectively in the big leagues.

      There are other talented arms in the world besides Joba.

    13. Joel
      May 22nd, 2008 | 7:24 am

      I saw Kennedy’s numbers over his career too, and now he’s a freakin’ pinata at the major league level.

      These young guys are moot anyway as far as the 8th inning is concerned, becuase General Joe is going to stick with Farnsworth until the cows come home.

      Instead of signing a solid, journeyman guy to fill out a very decent starting rotation, we have risked blowing up the bullpen. But it’s OK, right? I shouldn’t sweat it. I need to embrace this transitional time.

    14. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      May 22nd, 2008 | 8:20 am

      What I can’t figure out is how the process is going to go – is Joba just going to steadily increase his innings, and be unavailable in between? Can that last if, in the first week, the bullpen screws the pooch a couple of times, and then there is an eighth inning lead that absolutely must be protected, so out comes Joba?

      That reminds me a bit of Andy Pettitte relieving last year on his “side” day.

      What are the odds that Joba immediately excels as a starter? Even assuming he goes out and dominates for seven innings, immediately (I’ll give that a ten percent likelihood), what will be the result if the bullpen blows up one or two times per week?

      Everyone says a dominant starter is more valuable, and I’ll say that is true during crunch time. But when you are chasing a playoff spot, wins are what counts. Two to three bullpen collapses every two weeks (let’s just say on average) wipes out any win advantage from Joba starting.

    15. asdf
      May 22nd, 2008 | 9:31 am

      Weren’t the Yankees like, 75-5 (or something ridiculous) after 7innings with a lead in 2006? You people realllly over value this mythical “8th inning guy”

    16. Don
      May 22nd, 2008 | 2:39 pm


      The cows have come in.

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