Yes, awsome timing on Maddon’s part, completely cutting off the article before 2006, when the Red Sox took 3 guys before Chamberlian. of the 3 guys, all of them played horriblly their first year. with Daniel Bard’s amazing 1:2 K:BB ratio (not a typo) , having said that, all of them are still young enough to turn things around (as Bard is so far)

VORP wise, Wang has been the top 5 AL pitcher in the 06-07 span and top 10 OVER in the MLB, to claim that a pitcher will be noticablly better than Wang over the last two year is basically claiming that he will win a Cy Young… (as the only guy to have significantly out VORPed Wang in that two year span is Santana / Webb ). it’s pretty ludicrous to make such a claim unless we’re talking about say.. Clayton Kreshaw.

Dude, get a grip. Citing Bard having straightened himself in LOW A is a joke. A JOKE. When he proves he can pitch above that give me a call. And Wang absolutely has deception in his delivery. Its in the form of a slight pause in his delivery which has been cited A LOT has causing problems. But whatever, he doesn’t even need that.

Let’s see, Wang didn’t have it today and until he tired at 100 pitches, pitched a pretty damn good game. Need more examples? The dude has won 19 games the past two years with ERAs solidly in the 3s. Wang’s ERA over the last two seasons plus this season is a half run better than your main man Josh Beckett. I guess when he, um, sucks he sucks, no matter his fastball.

But, hey, you can go on “stuff” all you want, or deception, or whatever you want. The fact is that Masterson has yet to show he can be anything but below league average at every single level he has ever pitched at. Try that on for size. He has an era north of 4.1 at EVERY LEVEL. Sure, he may have 18 pitches, but they obviously aren’t working.

I never said a Sox player/prospect can’t be good. I think Buccholz has a chance to be real good. But your whole argument is based on inaccurate scouting, faulty logic, and incomprehensible argumentation…

Oh I see, so 2006 was just a draft to let talent build up in the low minors, it was totally planned to let nobody impress. I mean, why draft Joba when you can have someone who will take three times longer or more…

And I believe the Sox were the ones to rush a player first, you can thank Mr. Craig Hanson for putting your Sox fan’s foot in your mouth…

I never understood why Sox fans feel compelled to pee on a Yankee blog. It’s freakin’ boring.

Right.

Wang has all those pitches, but whenever his sinker stops sinking, he gets pounded all over the park. Funny how that happens.

Has Wang ever won when his sinker isn’t working?

Uh, pretty much hardly ever.

I made no assertions based on two starts. I made assertions based on his stuff, his groundball rates, his deception (you see deception in Wang’s delivery? Yeah, your pinstripe-tinted glasses see plenty of deception. Here’s a quarter-buy a clue) and the projections of scouts and his college coach, a guy who knows something about what good pitchers look like – Tony Gwynn.

A “disaster” draft? When you’ve got so much talent moving into the upper levels of your system, you can do quite well with a draft that doesn’t have immediate impact guys. In fact, those “immediate impact guys” – i.e., the guys who’ve been rushed through the system. How’s that worked out for Hughes and Kennedy? And oh by the way – 2006 saw Daniel Bard being drafted, who’s straightened out his delivery and has posted a K/BB ratio over TEN.

Let’s face some facts here:
You won’t ever admit that a young Red Sox player has any talent or future. Talk about unresearched drivel …

OnceIWasAYankeeFan, if you think Wang is a one trick pony, clearly you don’t actually know him at all.

To say Masterson is going to be good based on two major league starts is silly, look at his minor league #s, do you even see a track record approaching league average? He has yet to post a season with an era under 4. Your analysis of his stuff makes no sense in comparison to Wang either, who throws a harder sinker, an excellent slider, a split, and a change, and actually has a LOT of deception in his delivery.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, none. Its okay to try and come on here and sound smart and bash the Yankees, but at least try to back yourself up with arguments that hold matter and make sense.

Back to the article: Ignoring the fact that Hanson has been a total bust, that same 2005 Yankees draft also produced Austin Jackson, Alan Horne, JB Cox, and Brett Gardner, all of who could be contributing significantly this year (save Jackson).

And then, when you turn the page to the very next year, the Yankees had a HUGE draft, and the Sox had a “disaster draft.” While the Yanks drafted Kennedy, Joba, Mccallister, Knotos, Betances, Melancon, McCutchen, and Robertson, the Sox drafted, um, Masterson and Anderson? Ryan Kalish I guess?

But, then again, expecting anything less than mindless anti-Yankee, unresearched drivel from the mediots is asking an awful lot…

so let me get this straight. the sox took lester 14 picks before the yanks even had a pick, and we are supposed to take what from this?? they really cleaned the yankees’ clocks in that draft huh?!

The draft isn’t a crapshoot, its about prep work, scouting, and decision making.

Lin Garret was a screw up.

Damon Oppenheimer is a huge and vast improvement.

The red sox got a head start, the Yankees are catching up with the last few drafts.

The Yankees have done an awesome job of taking a farm system that was devoid and barren and restocking it and building it into one of the best systems in baseball.

And the turnaround was rapid, it was fast, and it was quick.

Between the draft and the IFA market, it’s going to be neck and neck between the red sox and yankees (and a few other teams) with the minors and player development over the next few years.

In fact I’m going to tell you right now that Masterson will be a better pitcher than Wang ever dreams of becoming. Why?

Because he isn’t a one trick pony.

Because he has a significantly better strikeout rate, with a groundball rate just as impressive as Wang.

Because he throws his heavy sinker from 84 to 94, making it an even better pitch than Wang’s, plus he has a strong 4-seamer and slider and a developing change.

Because he is 6’6″ and throws very hard from a near-sidearm slot, his excellent pitches are even tougher on righties. Wang has no deception in his delivery, and because of his reliance on his sinker, the league is learning to lay off anything that starts at the thigh. Masterson has more and better weapons and will be a dominant pitcher long after Yankee fans have stopped saying “well, they all said that its tough to stay on top with a tiny strikeout rate.”

Yankee blinders much?

Keep talking friend. Just remember to check in another year or so and remember the nonsense you are spouting.