Jun 13
Via the Daily News:
The Yankees disclosed Thursday that injured reliever Jonathan Albaladejo has a stress fracture in his right elbow. “He won’t pitch the rest of the year,” Joe Girardi said. Albaladejo went on the DL May 10 with a sprained right elbow.
Back in December, when the Yankees acquired Albaladejo, I wrote:
Jonathan Albaladejo? Well, based on the reports from Baseball America, he seems like a mix of Hideki Irabu, Chris Britton, and Brian Bruney. At this stage, put me in the “not impressed” camp (on this trade).
Sometimes, I hate it when I’m right.
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Too many walks for Albaladejo but still 13 K in 13 2/3 IP. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t lousy either. An average arm is still valuable and I’m sorry we didn’t get to see more of him.
Also, I’m not sure what part you’re right about? His weight caused a fracture in his elbow? At the time he got injured, I could’ve sworn you blamed it on Joe Girardi for rushing him into the game in relief of Kei Igawa. Do you need me to check the archives to draw the direct quote into this? Come on now, if you blamed Girardi, at least stick with that. Don’t blame Cashman too.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:25 am
He was traded for Tyler Clippard. Who were you expecting, Nolan Ryan?
June 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
The Yankees acquired Albaladejo for a guy who can’t cut it in the Minors. I noticed you didn’t have anything to say about Tyler Clippard’s 4.1 inning, nine-baserunner performance earlier this week in which he threw 98 pitche and got roughed up by the powerhouse Giants. The Yanks weren’t going to get much for a guy who can’t pitch in the majors.
Meanwhile, nothing that transpired here proves that you were right to question Albaladejo. In limited duty, he has decent Major League numbers, including over 8 K/9 IP and a 3.12 K/BB rate. He got injured. It happens. I’d still make that trade any day of the week.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Not quite sure what you’re right about…
June 13th, 2008 at 10:45 am
That the Yankees had traded a prospect for a fat guy who threw had but had a history of injury problems and a spotty attitude.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Other than you, not many people that I’m aware of consider Clippard a prospect of much value
June 13th, 2008 at 11:21 am
wow, Steve just got pwned.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:31 am
That the Yankees had traded a prospect for a fat guy who threw had but had a history of injury problems and a spotty attitude.
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What do you have on his injury history? I can’t find anything that would suggest that he’s injury prone (loss in velocity, 2004; muscle strain 2006)
Looking at his minor league numbers, his usage was consistent. His peripherals were decent in the Pirates system as well.
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on “spotty attitude” since it’s such a nebulous term.
I don’t know whether he was released or signed with the Nats as a MiL FA; I see both reported.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Raf – go back, via the link, to what I wrote in December. See what BA had to say about him – I quoted it. That’s what I based my take on…
June 13th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
~~Other than you, not many people that I’m aware of consider Clippard a prospect of much value~~
Go read what Baseball Prospectus wrote about him in their 2006 book. They liked him. Go read John Sickels wrote about him in his 2006 book. He graded him a B- prospect and said he could be a Brad Radke type. Sounds like value to me. Did he have a great 2007? No – but, not bad enough to then just discard him for a fat tub of goo.
June 13th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Why are you patting yourself on the back when you are clearly getting your information from what other people think or believe? So because I read that you hate Cashman, when I talk about him I can say “see, I was right.”
I just don’t get it. Because BA or BP said Clippard is good (he isn’t) and Albaladejo is bad, by quoting them in an article, you’re correct when he goes down?
Shouldn’t it be “Sickels was right” or “Baseball Prospectus was right” or “Baseball America was right?” It’s not like you scouted him. You just copied and pasted a profile and now suddenly you’re a scout? Riiiight.
I try to read your site because you do have a lot of insight, but all of the patting yourself on the back and references to how right you always are are getting to be too much for me to handle.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Raf – go back, via the link, to what I wrote in December. See what BA had to say about him – I quoted it. That’s what I based my take on…
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I did go back to the article. I’m going to need more than 3rd hand information to pass judgement. The numbers are there; decent but not great. Like Clippard; decent but not great.
He did well in the Nationals system, he was doing well in the Yankees system, he was doing well with the Yankees before he got hurt.
That other “fat tub of goo,” Terry Forster, managed to pitch 16 years in the bigs. Other plus sized pitchers include David Wells, Rick Reuschel, Bob Wickman, David Weathers, Mickey Lolich, CC Sabathia, etc, etc, etc, etc. So I’m not going to worry about that either.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Just another relief pitcher ruined by Joe…….
June 13th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
~~~I just don’t get it. Because BA or BP said Clippard is good (he isn’t) and Albaladejo is bad, by quoting them in an article, you’re correct when he goes down?~~~
Don’t I get credit for being right in the sense that I agreed with the people who were right (in the end) at the time the trade was made?
June 13th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
It’s comical that you’d use BA and Sickels to support your claim on Clippard but won’t do the same when talking about Phil Hughes.
When you begin with the premise that every move Cashman makes is a bad one then it’s pretty hard to remain objective on any of the players he brings in. Consequently, the Albaladejo move was a bad one because Cashman made it. Never mind the fact that Clippard was nothing special. But had Clippard not been traded, and then used to replace IPK in the rotation this year, I’m sure you’d bash Cashman for letting filler-quality stuff like Clippard when the Yanks could’ve signed Lohse to a four-year contract.
There’s no consistency with you, Steve.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
MJ – I disagree. I’m 100% consistent in that every time I give my opinion on something, it’s my opinion. Sometimes I agree with “the experts” and sometimes I do not. Sometimes it’s based on stats and other times it’s based on feel. But, in any event, it’s always my opinion. And, that’s what you get from me here – every time. How’s that for consistency?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Steve, you know I love you. I read your blog multiple times a day and I’ve been to some ballgames with you and had a great time. None of this is personal so you should know that I’m never attacking YOU, only your opinions/viewpoints.
On this, I guess I’ll say this: yes, you’re consistent in that you hate Cashman and see everything from a “he sucks” vantage point. What is inconsistent is your selective application of “the experts.” You use them to support your claim and demand that if the experts said it (when you agree) then it must be true. But when the experts don’t agree with you, you poo-poo the experts and bring up all sorts of examples of when they’re wrong.
No expert is right all of the time, just like no GM is right all of the time. I think that’s what I’ve been saying consistently for the better part of a year. We simply agree to disagree on this very broad issue.
Have a great weekend, bud.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Don’t I get credit for being right in the sense that I agreed with the people who were right (in the end) at the time the trade was made?
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Nope. As you mentioned, Clippard’s 2007 wasn’t so hotsy-totsy and his 2008 hasn’t done much to improve people’s opinion of him. I know that you advocated trading Clippard for Joe Nathan last winter ( I believe you mentioned you’d even be willing to include Clippard reluctantly) but I suggest you might want to reconsider YOUR opinion of Clippard.
By the way, just because a “rookie” book from 2006 said he might become Brad Radke it doesn’t mean it will happen. I have a yearbook from the early 1960’s emphatically pushing Jerry Kenney as the next bee’s knees. I’m still waiting.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Basura – FWIW, I’m not saying that Clippard is a lock. But, he has hope. Which is more than I can say for what we traded him for…that’s all.
MJ – Hey, we’re cool. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. All I want is for people to agree that it’s OK to disagree with each other. I’m down with that. But, I don’t always feel that from some posters here…very often it’s “I disagree with Steve…therefore he’s wrong and he’s an idiot.”
Wish is was not so…but, I get that a lot. And, that’s not being very fair.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Steve,
As I said, I think it’s the patting yourself on the back thing that rubs people the wrong way. Any time you reference a post, I already know what it says because I’ve read most of them. I used to agree with you all the time. I would think, “yeah, he’s got a great point that not many other people saw.” Now I feel like there’s some sort of agenda. A post isn’t just a post. It’s something so 6 months later you can reference it when it “comes true.”
And no, I don’t think you get credit for taking someone else’s idea and agreeing with it. I tried that in college once. I got an F.
For the last 6 months or so (at least), I feel like you are genuinely disappointed when something goes well. I don’t know how it happened, but everything I read that should be considered “positive” sounds forced. I’m always waiting for the “but I was right” or the jab at Cash/Hughes/whoever else.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
shaked – when you factor in how many times I write something, and readers post that I’m wrong, and an idiot, etc., I don’t think it’s a crime for me to point out that I was right when something comes true.
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