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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/22/june-22nd-vs-the-reds/comment-page-1/#comment-33722</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He does kind of come off like a jerk here and with his recent comments and I don&#039;t like them at all. I probably wouldn&#039;t have cheered him. I wouldn&#039;t have booed him - just would have been quiet.

The reason being that I can&#039;t help but like him in some way because I met him many years ago at the PGA Show when I was younger, when he was in his prime. I spotted him walking down an aisle, looking at a fancy golf cart. 

After some seconds of deliberation, I got up the courage to approach him and ask him for an autograph and, though he didn&#039;t say much and we only made brief contacted, if any (I think he may have said &quot;uh huh&quot; in response to my request and then nodded), he tookmy pen and signed the magazine I had and that was really, really, really cool to me at that time.

So, for that reason, I have a hard time holding a lot of this against him, even being the diehard, lifelong Yankees fan that I am.

On the flip side, when I met David Wells when I was a kid, he left me waiting downstairs and said he&#039;d be back. An hour and a half later, I left. So, I&#039;ve always had a tougher time rooting for him.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Patrick');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33722','Patrick');" /></div><span id="co_33722"><p>He does kind of come off like a jerk here and with his recent comments and I don&#8217;t like them at all. I probably wouldn&#8217;t have cheered him. I wouldn&#8217;t have booed him &#8211; just would have been quiet.</p>
<p>The reason being that I can&#8217;t help but like him in some way because I met him many years ago at the PGA Show when I was younger, when he was in his prime. I spotted him walking down an aisle, looking at a fancy golf cart. </p>
<p>After some seconds of deliberation, I got up the courage to approach him and ask him for an autograph and, though he didn&#8217;t say much and we only made brief contacted, if any (I think he may have said &#8220;uh huh&#8221; in response to my request and then nodded), he tookmy pen and signed the magazine I had and that was really, really, really cool to me at that time.</p>
<p>So, for that reason, I have a hard time holding a lot of this against him, even being the diehard, lifelong Yankees fan that I am.</p>
<p>On the flip side, when I met David Wells when I was a kid, he left me waiting downstairs and said he&#8217;d be back. An hour and a half later, I left. So, I&#8217;ve always had a tougher time rooting for him.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/22/june-22nd-vs-the-reds/comment-page-1/#comment-33714</link>
		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffey is a first ballot Hall of Famer. for my generation, probably one of the best, if not the best all around player in the game. 

ive got no issues with him holding whatever grudge against the yankees he has. on the field, he is a star, and if i were at the game yesterday, or over the weekend, id have cheered for him to.

put personal feelings aside, and you recognize the career.</description>
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<p>ive got no issues with him holding whatever grudge against the yankees he has. on the field, he is a star, and if i were at the game yesterday, or over the weekend, id have cheered for him to.</p>
<p>put personal feelings aside, and you recognize the career.</p>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, Steve, Griffey is one of the greatest of all-time.  Has he been less great recently?  Yeah.  Its called a decline phase.  And when he goes in on the first ballot, 95 or 98% vote, no one will mention how much the Kingdome helped his numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33713','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_33713"><p>Come on, Steve, Griffey is one of the greatest of all-time.  Has he been less great recently?  Yeah.  Its called a decline phase.  And when he goes in on the first ballot, 95 or 98% vote, no one will mention how much the Kingdome helped his numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greatness is in the eye of the beholder.  Griffey was great in the 1990&#039;s.  For the last eight seasons, he&#039;s been basically a dud.  And, when he was great in the 1990&#039;s, it was somewhat helped by playing so many games in the Kingdome.  Here&#039;s his HR/PA ratio, per park, where he&#039;s played 30+ games:

Park - 	HR/PA
SEA-Safeco Fld	0.084
MIN-Metrodome	0.079
TOR-SkyDome	0.073
NYY-Yankee Stad	0.072
LAA-Angel Stad	0.069
LAD-Dodger Stad	0.067
HOU-MinuteMaidPk	0.067
SEA-Kingdome	0.064
CLE-Jacobs Fld	0.062
CIN-Cinergy Fld	0.058
TEX-Rangers Bpk	0.056
CIN-GreatAmer BP	0.055
MIL-Miller Pk	0.052
CHC-Wrigley Fld	0.051
BAL-Camden Yards	0.050
PIT-PNC Pk	0.046
CHW-US Cellular	0.045
MIL-County Stad	0.043
DET-Tiger Stad	0.042
OAK-NetworkAssoc	0.042
KCR-KauffmanStad	0.038
BOS-Fenway Pk	0.026</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33698','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_33698"><p>Greatness is in the eye of the beholder.  Griffey was great in the 1990&#8217;s.  For the last eight seasons, he&#8217;s been basically a dud.  And, when he was great in the 1990&#8217;s, it was somewhat helped by playing so many games in the Kingdome.  Here&#8217;s his HR/PA ratio, per park, where he&#8217;s played 30+ games:</p>
<p>Park &#8211; 	HR/PA<br />
SEA-Safeco Fld	0.084<br />
MIN-Metrodome	0.079<br />
TOR-SkyDome	0.073<br />
NYY-Yankee Stad	0.072<br />
LAA-Angel Stad	0.069<br />
LAD-Dodger Stad	0.067<br />
HOU-MinuteMaidPk	0.067<br />
SEA-Kingdome	0.064<br />
CLE-Jacobs Fld	0.062<br />
CIN-Cinergy Fld	0.058<br />
TEX-Rangers Bpk	0.056<br />
CIN-GreatAmer BP	0.055<br />
MIL-Miller Pk	0.052<br />
CHC-Wrigley Fld	0.051<br />
BAL-Camden Yards	0.050<br />
PIT-PNC Pk	0.046<br />
CHW-US Cellular	0.045<br />
MIL-County Stad	0.043<br />
DET-Tiger Stad	0.042<br />
OAK-NetworkAssoc	0.042<br />
KCR-KauffmanStad	0.038<br />
BOS-Fenway Pk	0.026</p>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/22/june-22nd-vs-the-reds/comment-page-1/#comment-33697</link>
		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
The Griffey-Wells thing isn&#039;t even close to a valid comparison.  I said &quot;historically great&quot; - meaning, one of a handful of the greatest players of all-time.  Wells (nor Schilling) remotely qualify.</description>
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The Griffey-Wells thing isn&#8217;t even close to a valid comparison.  I said &#8220;historically great&#8221; &#8211; meaning, one of a handful of the greatest players of all-time.  Wells (nor Schilling) remotely qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He’s one of the biggest douchebags in all of baseball.
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Hardly.  Not even close.</description>
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&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Hardly.  Not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is really a guy they should stand and cheer.  Said Mr. Griffey: &quot;This place has a lot of history.  There&#039;s some history they&#039;d like to forget, maybe, like some race around the bases.&quot;

See, RedSoxFan, Griffey hasn&#039;t forgotten about those &#039;95 playoffs, either.

He&#039;s one of the biggest douchebags in all of baseball.  I&#039;m not surprised you&#039;re a fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('baileywalk');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33672','baileywalk');" /></div><span id="co_33672"><p>Yeah, this is really a guy they should stand and cheer.  Said Mr. Griffey: &#8220;This place has a lot of history.  There&#8217;s some history they&#8217;d like to forget, maybe, like some race around the bases.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, RedSoxFan, Griffey hasn&#8217;t forgotten about those &#8216;95 playoffs, either.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s one of the biggest douchebags in all of baseball.  I&#8217;m not surprised you&#8217;re a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: baileywalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baileywalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedSoxFan, I&#039;ve had enough of you.  It&#039;s pitiful how you come here and preach to us.

Who said he should be booed?  No one.  I said they shouldn&#039;t have given him a standing ovation for a home run that made a game closer in the eighth inning.

It wasn&#039;t his 600th home run.  It was 601.  Griffey hates New York because of a childish grudge and he has no connection to this team outside of the fact that his father once played for it.  Why would ANY opposing team giving him a standing ovation?  It would have been silly anywhere, and it was absurd here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('baileywalk');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33671','baileywalk');" /></div><span id="co_33671"><p>RedSoxFan, I&#8217;ve had enough of you.  It&#8217;s pitiful how you come here and preach to us.</p>
<p>Who said he should be booed?  No one.  I said they shouldn&#8217;t have given him a standing ovation for a home run that made a game closer in the eighth inning.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t his 600th home run.  It was 601.  Griffey hates New York because of a childish grudge and he has no connection to this team outside of the fact that his father once played for it.  Why would ANY opposing team giving him a standing ovation?  It would have been silly anywhere, and it was absurd here.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, he did it without PEDS, etc. (like you state about Griffey).
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The PED backlash wasn&#039;t around in 2003.  And if there was, it was primarily directed at Bonds.

And 200 wins by a pitcher, while a nice round number, doesn&#039;t compare to a batter hitting 600 HR&#039;s.  A big deal rarely is made for a pitcher getting 200 wins.  300, sure, but not 200.

Also, we can probably agree that Red Sox fans are a special bunch, I don&#039;t know why we&#039;re so concerned about their behavior.  You hear about how NY fans are supposedly knowledgeable, well knowledgeable fans recognize Griffey&#039;s accomplishments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_33670','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_33670"><p>And, he did it without PEDS, etc. (like you state about Griffey).<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
The PED backlash wasn&#8217;t around in 2003.  And if there was, it was primarily directed at Bonds.</p>
<p>And 200 wins by a pitcher, while a nice round number, doesn&#8217;t compare to a batter hitting 600 HR&#8217;s.  A big deal rarely is made for a pitcher getting 200 wins.  300, sure, but not 200.</p>
<p>Also, we can probably agree that Red Sox fans are a special bunch, I don&#8217;t know why we&#8217;re so concerned about their behavior.  You hear about how NY fans are supposedly knowledgeable, well knowledgeable fans recognize Griffey&#8217;s accomplishments.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever about Griffey.

The best part of the game for me was Edwar.  He was unhittable today.  The slider is getting better and the fastball was 91.

General Joe is bringing him along slowly.  Now he&#039;s a seventh inning guy.  

I smell an Okajima in the making.</description>
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<p>The best part of the game for me was Edwar.  He was unhittable today.  The slider is getting better and the fastball was 91.</p>
<p>General Joe is bringing him along slowly.  Now he&#8217;s a seventh inning guy.  </p>
<p>I smell an Okajima in the making.</p>
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