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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/26/please-lets-pass-on-this-retread/comment-page-1/#comment-34114</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, because he figured if he pitched a public fit and yelled at his manager, he’d get sent out of town quicker.
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While I appreciate your mindreading skills, I&#039;m going to have to call shenanigans.

Payton isn&#039;t the first player to throw a tantrum (public or otherwise) over playing time nor will he be the last.</description>
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While I appreciate your mindreading skills, I&#8217;m going to have to call shenanigans.</p>
<p>Payton isn&#8217;t the first player to throw a tantrum (public or otherwise) over playing time nor will he be the last.</p>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/26/please-lets-pass-on-this-retread/comment-page-1/#comment-34062</link>
		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s absolutely classless, and Sox fans had a similar experience a couple of years back with one Jay Payton, signed to be a fourth outfielder, pissed off about it, went on a rant against Francona in the dugout.  Because he was angry?  No, because he figured if he pitched a public fit and yelled at his manager, he&#039;d get sent out of town quicker.

And he was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_34062','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_34062"><p>It&#8217;s absolutely classless, and Sox fans had a similar experience a couple of years back with one Jay Payton, signed to be a fourth outfielder, pissed off about it, went on a rant against Francona in the dugout.  Because he was angry?  No, because he figured if he pitched a public fit and yelled at his manager, he&#8217;d get sent out of town quicker.</p>
<p>And he was right.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/06/26/please-lets-pass-on-this-retread/comment-page-1/#comment-34058</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact is that his manager said “I want to talk to you in my office” and this fool said “whatever you want to say you can say here”. WRONG answer. Completely unprofessional and classless. Now the GM is called in - and he gets the same treatment. I don’t care what was said - Chacon is guilty of assault and should be arrested. Those other cases were on the field or in the clubhouse, spur of the moment acts. This is a player attacking a front office official for god’s sake.
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&quot;For god&#039;s sake?&quot; Calm down, it isn&#039;t that serious.  Front office official or not, history has shown that charges probably will not be pressed.  This really isn&#039;t any different from the previous examples I cited.

Unprofessional?  Maybe.  Classless?  Hardly.  If it were that big a deal, whatever that was could&#039;ve been left unsaid, and Chacon could&#039;ve been released right there on the spot, without the histrionics from all parties involved.

Cooper should&#039;ve grown a pair and told him.  Walked away and let him deal with the news, instead of escalating the problem to management.  Wade had the same opportunity presented to him, he apparently decided to go on a rant, instead of using the double-triplespeak that we&#039;re (or at least I am) accustomed to from those in management.  According to Chacon, he was calm up until Wade got abusive (taking in mind the Rashomon effect).  Chacon presumably gets in Wade&#039;s face, and instead of controlling himself, maybe walking away, Wade CONTINUES to run his mouth.  Wade gets choked.  He should&#039;ve seen it coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_34058','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_34058"><p>The simple fact is that his manager said “I want to talk to you in my office” and this fool said “whatever you want to say you can say here”. WRONG answer. Completely unprofessional and classless. Now the GM is called in &#8211; and he gets the same treatment. I don’t care what was said &#8211; Chacon is guilty of assault and should be arrested. Those other cases were on the field or in the clubhouse, spur of the moment acts. This is a player attacking a front office official for god’s sake.<br />
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&#8220;For god&#8217;s sake?&#8221; Calm down, it isn&#8217;t that serious.  Front office official or not, history has shown that charges probably will not be pressed.  This really isn&#8217;t any different from the previous examples I cited.</p>
<p>Unprofessional?  Maybe.  Classless?  Hardly.  If it were that big a deal, whatever that was could&#8217;ve been left unsaid, and Chacon could&#8217;ve been released right there on the spot, without the histrionics from all parties involved.</p>
<p>Cooper should&#8217;ve grown a pair and told him.  Walked away and let him deal with the news, instead of escalating the problem to management.  Wade had the same opportunity presented to him, he apparently decided to go on a rant, instead of using the double-triplespeak that we&#8217;re (or at least I am) accustomed to from those in management.  According to Chacon, he was calm up until Wade got abusive (taking in mind the Rashomon effect).  Chacon presumably gets in Wade&#8217;s face, and instead of controlling himself, maybe walking away, Wade CONTINUES to run his mouth.  Wade gets choked.  He should&#8217;ve seen it coming.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what do we know was said between Wade and Chacon?
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We don&#039;t know what was said.  That&#039;s exactly why I&#039;m saying that you can&#039;t take such a simplistic approach to your analysis of the situation.</description>
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We don&#8217;t know what was said.  That&#8217;s exactly why I&#8217;m saying that you can&#8217;t take such a simplistic approach to your analysis of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once was , both parties are at fault BUT verbally assaulting a player from a no win loser GM is a bit much. hE was in Philly for 8 years and never went to the playoffs. He has no right to be nasty to a player. By the same token , Chacon should have called him names BUT Wade is no angel in this AT ALL.</description>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That’s far too simplistic. If your boss asked you to do something, you’d do it. But if he asked you to do somethign and then told you that you were a worthless, piece of $hit Red Sox fan who deserved to get beaten like a rented mule, you’d still do what your boss asked you to do? You would sit there and take that abuse without so much as a peep?

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And what do we know was said between Wade and Chacon?  A few expletives?  The main thing known is &quot;look in the (expletive) mirror&quot;.

Perhaps the answer is that whenever a manager or a GM wants to have a sit-down with a player, they should bring some big beefy guys from security with them.  You know, just to make sure the player  does what is asked, peacefully.

The simple fact is that his manager said &quot;I want to talk to you in my office&quot; and this fool said &quot;whatever you want to say you can say here&quot;.  WRONG answer.  Completely unprofessional and classless.  Now the GM is called in - and he gets the same treatment.  I don&#039;t care what was said - Chacon is guilty of assault and should be arrested.  Those other cases were on the field or in the clubhouse, spur of the moment acts.  This is a player attacking a front office official for god&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_34053','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_34053"><p>That’s far too simplistic. If your boss asked you to do something, you’d do it. But if he asked you to do somethign and then told you that you were a worthless, piece of $hit Red Sox fan who deserved to get beaten like a rented mule, you’d still do what your boss asked you to do? You would sit there and take that abuse without so much as a peep?</p>
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<p>And what do we know was said between Wade and Chacon?  A few expletives?  The main thing known is &#8220;look in the (expletive) mirror&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps the answer is that whenever a manager or a GM wants to have a sit-down with a player, they should bring some big beefy guys from security with them.  You know, just to make sure the player  does what is asked, peacefully.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that his manager said &#8220;I want to talk to you in my office&#8221; and this fool said &#8220;whatever you want to say you can say here&#8221;.  WRONG answer.  Completely unprofessional and classless.  Now the GM is called in &#8211; and he gets the same treatment.  I don&#8217;t care what was said &#8211; Chacon is guilty of assault and should be arrested.  Those other cases were on the field or in the clubhouse, spur of the moment acts.  This is a player attacking a front office official for god&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Philly cousins hate Ed Wade. He is a brute and has won nothing. He is a nobody who thinks he is a somebody. Chacon overeacted and should have used words instead of violence. AS for SC, he was traded for a reason the first time and there is no need to revisit his second year mediocrity.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~~Chacon, to my knowledge, hasn’t been a troublemaker. ~~

IIRC, part of the reason why the Yankees were happy to send him packing in 2006, in addition to his lousy pitching, was his attitude.</description>
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<p>IIRC, part of the reason why the Yankees were happy to send him packing in 2006, in addition to his lousy pitching, was his attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am concerned, when a coach, manager, or boss (GM) tells you to do something (go to the office for a meeting, leave the court) you do it. Doesn’t matter how they say it. You do it.
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And as far as I&#039;m concerned, as soon as they get verbally abusive, all bets are off.  If you&#039;re going to talk tough, then you better be able to back it up.  

According to Chacon, he warned Wade twice.  Wade didn&#039;t listen.  Wade got choked.  Charge him for assault and battery, whatever.  Doesn&#039;t change what happened.  Doesn&#039;t make it right either.  

But, if Wade has any sense, he&#039;ll probably think twice, or maybe chooses his words a bit more carefully when dealing with a player.

Given that MLB is a closed institution, I doubt that charges will be filed.  Players have tangled with each other (Crisp-Shields), players have tangled with managers (Dibble-Piniella), players have tangled with coaches (Randle-Lucchino), players have tangled with umpires (Alomar-Hirschbeck).  To my knowledge, nothing other than a suspension has come out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_34022','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_34022"><p>As far as I am concerned, when a coach, manager, or boss (GM) tells you to do something (go to the office for a meeting, leave the court) you do it. Doesn’t matter how they say it. You do it.<br />
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And as far as I&#8217;m concerned, as soon as they get verbally abusive, all bets are off.  If you&#8217;re going to talk tough, then you better be able to back it up.  </p>
<p>According to Chacon, he warned Wade twice.  Wade didn&#8217;t listen.  Wade got choked.  Charge him for assault and battery, whatever.  Doesn&#8217;t change what happened.  Doesn&#8217;t make it right either.  </p>
<p>But, if Wade has any sense, he&#8217;ll probably think twice, or maybe chooses his words a bit more carefully when dealing with a player.</p>
<p>Given that MLB is a closed institution, I doubt that charges will be filed.  Players have tangled with each other (Crisp-Shields), players have tangled with managers (Dibble-Piniella), players have tangled with coaches (Randle-Lucchino), players have tangled with umpires (Alomar-Hirschbeck).  To my knowledge, nothing other than a suspension has come out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No excuses for Chacon, none.</description>
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