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	<title>Comments on: Klapisch: ~90% Chance Yanks Miss Post-Season</title>
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		<title>By: 67 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall : WasWatching.com</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-36740</link>
		<dc:creator>67 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall : WasWatching.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] backs-up what Bob Klapisch wrote ten days ago. The Yankees are going to need some serious magic to make it to October in 2008. Maybe it&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35886</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~~~It’s stunning to me how infrequently you admit when you’re wrong on this site. Every other reputable blogger does, Steve. It’s not a sign of weakness; it’s a sign of maturity and self-awareness.~~~

benjamin - you need to read this blog more often.  There have been many, many, times in the last four years where I have confessed mistakes.

But, then again, it&#039;s easier to cherry-pick posts, etc., that just rub you the wrong way and then try to make personal and insulting attacks at me.

Here&#039;s a question for you:  If I am everything bad that you claim I am as a blogger, why do you read the blog and continue to post on it?  Sounds like a waste of your time, to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35886','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_35886"><p>~~~It’s stunning to me how infrequently you admit when you’re wrong on this site. Every other reputable blogger does, Steve. It’s not a sign of weakness; it’s a sign of maturity and self-awareness.~~~</p>
<p>benjamin &#8211; you need to read this blog more often.  There have been many, many, times in the last four years where I have confessed mistakes.</p>
<p>But, then again, it&#8217;s easier to cherry-pick posts, etc., that just rub you the wrong way and then try to make personal and insulting attacks at me.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question for you:  If I am everything bad that you claim I am as a blogger, why do you read the blog and continue to post on it?  Sounds like a waste of your time, to me.</p>
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		<title>By: yankees76</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35814</link>
		<dc:creator>yankees76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s fine if you do not want to address the comment because you were insulted.  You take umbrage when others play fast and loose with statistics, and find increbily inane statistics to highlight and pinpoint as somehow critical, and (what I actually find infuriating) you are only *careless* with statistics when it supports the generally negative tone of this site and your analysis.  You may have had *another reason* for posting highly-analytical probability measures as somehow supportive of your argument as to where this team stands, but if you weren&#039;t linking those numbers for statistical significance, you should have highlighted that in your post, rather than making the statement that those statistics demonstrated that the team was somehow in the same (or a similar position) as the team last year.  The team wasn&#039;t when you posted it, and it still isn&#039;t now.  If the team loses the next five games, you&#039;re a prophet; it they win them, your post becomes even more irrelevant, but either way, you can&#039;t pick and choose when to be precise with your statistical analysis.

It&#039;s stunning to me how infrequently you admit when you&#039;re wrong on this site.  Every other reputable blogger does, Steve.  It&#039;s not a sign of weakness; it&#039;s a sign of maturity and self-awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('yankees76');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35814','yankees76');" /></div><span id="co_35814"><p>That&#8217;s fine if you do not want to address the comment because you were insulted.  You take umbrage when others play fast and loose with statistics, and find increbily inane statistics to highlight and pinpoint as somehow critical, and (what I actually find infuriating) you are only *careless* with statistics when it supports the generally negative tone of this site and your analysis.  You may have had *another reason* for posting highly-analytical probability measures as somehow supportive of your argument as to where this team stands, but if you weren&#8217;t linking those numbers for statistical significance, you should have highlighted that in your post, rather than making the statement that those statistics demonstrated that the team was somehow in the same (or a similar position) as the team last year.  The team wasn&#8217;t when you posted it, and it still isn&#8217;t now.  If the team loses the next five games, you&#8217;re a prophet; it they win them, your post becomes even more irrelevant, but either way, you can&#8217;t pick and choose when to be precise with your statistical analysis.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s stunning to me how infrequently you admit when you&#8217;re wrong on this site.  Every other reputable blogger does, Steve.  It&#8217;s not a sign of weakness; it&#8217;s a sign of maturity and self-awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35263</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yankees76 - I think you&#039;re still blinded...I mean, after all, how can I honestly be expected to respect your opinion when you open up with insulting me, personally?  When you&#039;re ready to start dealing like a rational and calm person, I&#039;ll be happy to explain why I posted/linked, what I did...</description>
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		<title>By: yankees76</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35224</link>
		<dc:creator>yankees76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, if you add 48 + 42, you might also get &quot;90,&quot; instead of 88.

Guess I get blinded by range when I read careless or poorly-sourced posts around here.</description>
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<p>Guess I get blinded by range when I read careless or poorly-sourced posts around here.</p>
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		<title>By: yankees76</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankees76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who reads this site and thinks that Steve just isn&#039;t bright enough to use statistics?

Steve, you, uh, linked to last year&#039;s coolstandings projections from a date MORE THAN TWO WEEKS further into July, after the Yankees had played 99 games.  They were, at that point, seven games over .500.  After tonight, they have played ONLY 88 games, and are SIX GAMES over .500.

I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;ll take this year&#039;s version, where Jeter, Abreu and Cano are all likely to improve in the second half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('yankees76');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35223','yankees76');" /></div><span id="co_35223"><p>Am I the only one who reads this site and thinks that Steve just isn&#8217;t bright enough to use statistics?</p>
<p>Steve, you, uh, linked to last year&#8217;s coolstandings projections from a date MORE THAN TWO WEEKS further into July, after the Yankees had played 99 games.  They were, at that point, seven games over .500.  After tonight, they have played ONLY 88 games, and are SIX GAMES over .500.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;ll take this year&#8217;s version, where Jeter, Abreu and Cano are all likely to improve in the second half.</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35175</link>
		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the odss take into account the division makeup. Maybe the two best teams in baseball (TB and Boston) are in the AL East. So an AL Central or West team might make the WC with a much poorer record then the Yanks. I think that is why the Yanks odds are so low.</description>
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		<title>By: Lee Sinins</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35139</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Sinins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact is though that as the games dwindle down, those odds are going to become more and more accurate. If the Yankees are at 8% chance on September 1, you can probably book an October vacation.

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Yes, but if the Yankees are listed as a 8% chance on September 1, do you really think that nobody would be able to figure out by themselves that the situation looks extremely hopeless for the Yankees?

Of course not.

So, what does this site bring to the table that we couldn&#039;t figure out on our own. They provide, no they purport to provide a scientific method to provide a specific percentage.

In order for a scientific method to be accepted as valid, you need the data that proves it is valid.

Bill James, at least the old Bill James, the Abstracts version one, Bill James 1.0, as opposed to the newer one, complied with the scientific method. The same can not be said for this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Lee Sinins');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35139','Lee Sinins');" /></div><span id="co_35139"><p>Fact is though that as the games dwindle down, those odds are going to become more and more accurate. If the Yankees are at 8% chance on September 1, you can probably book an October vacation.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Yes, but if the Yankees are listed as a 8% chance on September 1, do you really think that nobody would be able to figure out by themselves that the situation looks extremely hopeless for the Yankees?</p>
<p>Of course not.</p>
<p>So, what does this site bring to the table that we couldn&#8217;t figure out on our own. They provide, no they purport to provide a scientific method to provide a specific percentage.</p>
<p>In order for a scientific method to be accepted as valid, you need the data that proves it is valid.</p>
<p>Bill James, at least the old Bill James, the Abstracts version one, Bill James 1.0, as opposed to the newer one, complied with the scientific method. The same can not be said for this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Sinins</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/07/08/klapisch-90-chance-yanks-miss-post-season/comment-page-1/#comment-35138</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Sinins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not sure the derivation but I’m pretty sure that Bill James crunched a lot of numbers before he came up with his version.

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The difference is James provided the proof that what he ultimately came up with worked. coolstandings.com has not done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Lee Sinins');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35138','Lee Sinins');" /></div><span id="co_35138"><p>I’m not sure the derivation but I’m pretty sure that Bill James crunched a lot of numbers before he came up with his version.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>The difference is James provided the proof that what he ultimately came up with worked. coolstandings.com has not done that.</p>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, these sites wouldn&#039;t use these tweaked versions of pythagorean theorems of runs scored - minus runs allowed  equals win probability if they didn&#039;t do a decent job of predicting wins.  I&#039;m not sure the derivation but I&#039;m pretty sure that Bill James crunched a lot of numbers before he came up with his version.  

That being said, nothing is a given.  The D-Backs should have been a below .500 team but they made the playoffs.  Two years ago the Indians should have won 88 and they were below .500.  The Halos are outperforming their pythag because of an unbelievable record in close games.  Will their &quot;luck&quot; change in the second half or will they manage to keep it up?

Its why they play the games, and why we watch them.

Fact is though that as the games dwindle down, those odds are going to become more and more accurate.  If the Yankees are at 8% chance on September 1, you can probably book an October vacation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_35132','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_35132"><p>Lee, these sites wouldn&#8217;t use these tweaked versions of pythagorean theorems of runs scored &#8211; minus runs allowed  equals win probability if they didn&#8217;t do a decent job of predicting wins.  I&#8217;m not sure the derivation but I&#8217;m pretty sure that Bill James crunched a lot of numbers before he came up with his version.  </p>
<p>That being said, nothing is a given.  The D-Backs should have been a below .500 team but they made the playoffs.  Two years ago the Indians should have won 88 and they were below .500.  The Halos are outperforming their pythag because of an unbelievable record in close games.  Will their &#8220;luck&#8221; change in the second half or will they manage to keep it up?</p>
<p>Its why they play the games, and why we watch them.</p>
<p>Fact is though that as the games dwindle down, those odds are going to become more and more accurate.  If the Yankees are at 8% chance on September 1, you can probably book an October vacation.</p>
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