• September 8th @ The Angels

    Posted by on September 9th, 2008 · Comments (18)

    I’m going to post this one now, while the Angels are batting in the bottom of the 7th inning, and leading 11-1 in this game – as I feel pretty safe that the Yankees are not coming back to win this one.

    Just now, watching the game, as Chris Britton was pitching, Michael Kay, on the YES coverage, said the Yankees were “disgraceful and an embarrassment” and that someone “should be held accountable” for this.

    So, what do you all think? Is Kay correct? On both parts? If so, on the latter, who should be held accountable?

    Comments on September 8th @ The Angels

    1. DP
      September 9th, 2008 | 1:03 am

      I’m going to repeat what I said below in the game comments: why shouldn’t Cashman be held accountable? I don’t even know where to begin listing all of the mistakes he’s made. For starters, how can a $200 million team have such poor depth? Why no contingency plan for pitchers getting injured or untested rookies having tough seasons? Why, on the one hand, retain old guys like Abreu and Posada, which you’re presumably doing to make a run at the playoffs/World Series, but then refuse to pursue guys like Santana who could help your aging team right now? Why didn’t Cashman see what everyone else did more than a season ago: that Melky Cabrera is, at best, a fourth outfielder? Why, when the Yankees have so many resources and can afford to wait and pay more if they have to, give a long-term contract to Robinson Cano, a guy many assumed had motivational issues? I could go on, but the point remains: why should a GM whose team has gotten progressively worse over the last half dozen years, while still having the largest budget in the game, keep his job? At what point do we no longer blame “meddling from Tampa” and finally start pointing the finger at the guy who would have us believe he has a plan? When will we finally start to realize that the Yankees deserve better than this poor man’s Theo Epstein?

    2. Tresh Fan
      September 9th, 2008 | 1:20 am

      Who should be held accountable?
      ____________________________

      Well, fortunately for the Yankees they have a whipping boy. His name is Alex Rodriguez. Currently the AL leader in Slugging Pct., A Rod is on his way to his 13th consectutive season with 100 runs scored, and his 12th overall season with both 100 Runs Scored and 100 RBIs—tying him with a couple of guys named Ruth and Gehrig. But Alex is the Ted Williams of his generation. Despite all his gaudy stats, he has never come up big in a big game, prompting the answer to today’s riddle:
      Who gets the Boos
      When the Yankees lose?

    3. Tresh Fan
      September 9th, 2008 | 1:39 am

      Oh, how does a $200 million team have such poor depth? To begin with, you have about $80 million of that tied up in just four players—A Rod, Giambi, Jeter, Rivera—and another $80 million tied up in 6 other players—Pettitte, Abreu, Matsui, Damon, Posada, Mussina. Toss in Pavano and Igawa and your payroll is pushing $175 million.

    4. DP
      September 9th, 2008 | 2:21 am

      While you’re right that tying up so much money in so few players is absurd, doesn’t Cashman take the blame for most of that? Though I would note that blaming A-Rod is ridiculous. A-Rod isn’t the reason that the Yankees will score close to 200 runs less this year than last. Even assuming that A-Rod is a big stat padder, and none of his hits ever come at important times, what about Derek Jeter, who makes 75% of what Alex makes, while producing nowhere near 75% of the offense A-Rod does? If A-Rod is largely to blame for the lack of Yankee success, then what about the man who became captain shortly after the Yankees string of World Series victories ended? My point isn’t that Jeter is to blame any more than A-Rod (or any less, I suppose). The Yankees are a poorly constructed team, and have been for several years now. And I just don’t see how the longtime GM can keep avoiding the blame for that.

    5. raven
      September 9th, 2008 | 4:26 am

      Cashman passed on Santana but had no back up plan when IPK and Hughes faltered mightily.
      He signed bench players who couldn’t hit.
      He boosted about the farm he built for this team but couldn’t call up one single major-ready hitter when Jeter, A-Rod and Posada went on the DL .
      This team sucks and Cash is responsible for that.
      But somehow he still has a job.
      That’s amazing.
      Maybe what this team really needs is a new owner.

    6. MJ
      September 9th, 2008 | 9:08 am

      I was listening to Michael Kay from 6:40-7:00 pm last night and caught the tail end of a rant about how the Yankees are a disgrace, how they’re a team with a glass jaw, how it was unacceptable that the Mariners beat them two out of three, etc.

      It’s a bad season, no doubt. But why does everything have to be so black and white? How was last night any more “disgraceful” or “an embarrassment” than their other 67 losses? Why? Because Pudge didn’t land his wild haymaker? Because A-Rod didn’t break his fist on Teixeira’s jaw? Because Jeter, that great leader, didn’t kick Brandon Wood in the family jewels?

      Puh-lease.

    7. Raf
      September 9th, 2008 | 10:18 am

      It’s a bad season, no doubt. But why does everything have to be so black and white? How was last night any more “disgraceful” or “an embarrassment” than their other 67 losses?
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      Gotta understand, this is Michael Kay we’re talking about here… Understatement is not his forte

    8. Raf
      September 9th, 2008 | 10:21 am

      I could go on, but the point remains: why should a GM whose team has gotten progressively worse over the last half dozen years, while still having the largest budget in the game, keep his job?
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      Because the team hasn’t gotten progressively worse over the last 1/2 dozen years

    9. MJ
      September 9th, 2008 | 10:21 am

      Gotta understand, this is Michael Kay we’re talking about here… Understatement is not his forte.
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      I’ve been saying for years: if the Yanks are the brand-name of baseball and they try to have the best of everything, how come they’ve settled with the worst TV and radio people out there? Michael Kay and John Sterling are atrocious.

    10. butchie22
      September 9th, 2008 | 10:30 am

      Look, it got dire when Toronto passed them. It honestly showed that the Jays , Rays and Red Sox are better than the Yankees. I hate this 96-00 mentality of being patient and waiting out the pitcher to get to a weak closer. This is not 96 and things are different. The Red Sox have money starting pitching and a money closer. They also have kids who are trained properly to play the game right. They also have Bill James and the Yanks have golden underwear, ghosts and aging players. Toronto and the Rays(especially Tampa) are not as weak as they were back during the Dynasty era either.

      Kay talks about about how this team is different, than the dynasty team. Guess what, the other teams are different, too. Wakefield is the only Red Sox player from 96, Rays didn’t exist, and Toronto has all newbies. The Yanks have the aging veterans who have underperformed (with the exception of Mo) or have been injured from that “Golden Age”. Cashman and Co have done a weak job updating this team .

    11. MJ
      September 9th, 2008 | 11:09 am

      Look, it got dire when Toronto passed them.
      —————————–
      But 3rd place was a perfectly acceptable state of being.

      It honestly showed that the Jays, Rays and Red Sox are better than the Yankees.
      ——————————
      You’re going to use standings to tell you who is better than whom? What if the Blue Jays and Yankees tie for third? What’ll you base your decision on then?

    12. hopbitters
      September 9th, 2008 | 11:14 am

      how come they’ve settled with the worst TV and radio people out there?

      -

      I’m not saying they’re good, but they’re not the worst. The faces that you see and the voices you hear take the blame, but there has been a fundamental shift in every aspect of how the game is covered and how sporting events are covered in general.

    13. MJ
      September 9th, 2008 | 11:33 am

      I’m not saying they’re good, but they’re not the worst. The faces that you see and the voices you hear take the blame, but there has been a fundamental shift in every aspect of how the game is covered and how sporting events are covered in general.
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      Please elaborate on what you mean. I agree that sports are covered differently but I don’t see how that coverage has anything to do with Kay/Sterling/Waldman’s personality/voice/idiosyncrasies.

    14. Raf
      September 9th, 2008 | 11:58 am

      Listen to a broadcast, and it’s clear why Sterling, Kay & Waldman have jobs. Company people through and through.

      As for the shift in coverage, It’s all about the shtick, IMO.

    15. butchie22
      September 9th, 2008 | 12:50 pm

      MJ, that’s if they tie which looks unlikely lately. Toronto has won what 8 in a row, when was the last time the Yanks won 8 games in a row? July? It was one thing to be in second and make the playoffs,but Arod gave props to Halladay and Burnett and them not being in the playoffs. Being in 4th is very painful for Yankee fans there is no way to spin that, MJ. I also hate to say that 4th place is looking likely. We just have to get used to it…….

    16. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      September 9th, 2008 | 1:33 pm

      Any team that doesn’t employ Hawk Harrelson doesn’t have the worst TV/Radio people.

    17. hopbitters
      September 9th, 2008 | 4:50 pm

      I agree that sports are covered differently but I don’t see how that coverage has anything to do with Kay/Sterling/Waldman’s personality/voice/idiosyncrasies.

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      I think the focus has shifted from relating the game on the field to the viewers to promoting individuals and generating viewership through (mostly artificial) controversy and sensationalism. The broadcasters that we get are a reflection of that philosophy. No modern producer would hire a Frank Messer who could describe what was happening on the field as unobtrusively as humanly possible when they can have a Michael Kay generating posts on blogs.

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