Hughes had one great game in September. Santana has been lights out all year and has a shot to win the Cy Young.

Great move.

They gave up this yr to save some money and some prospects. They thought they’d rather have Hughes-sabathia than Santana.

Now they better sign CC

Agreed, 100%. I’m just saying that you need to look at it in context…or else repeat what happened in 2007-2008.
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I think we’re saying the same thing then. Last night doesn’t mean Hughes has arrived. But it also doesn’t mean we should asterisk the performance because the Blue Jays aren’t the best hitters in the AL or because the Yanks didn’t have their regular lineup in there (the latter point being utterly irrelevant).

Bottom line: Hughes pitched a stellar game against MLB hitters. We’ve wanted to see this from him all year and we finally did. No judgements, no qualifications, no grandiose predictions. Hughes pitched great. Period.

~~you can’t look at last night and not take something positive away from it.~~

Agreed, 100%. I’m just saying that you need to look at it in context…or else repeat what happened in 2007-2008.

Steve, I don’t think anyone who watched last night’s game would say that this is the game that proves Hughes has arrived. I think if you stop using that straw-man argument and just take his performance for what it is, you would at least appear more magnanimous, if not more objective.

Hughes pitched an exceptional game against MLB hitters. He was efficient, he showed good command, and he dueled the other team’s #2 to a draw. Regardless of the non-playoff implications of this game or the fact that the Blue Jays aren’t an offensive juggernaut, you can’t take away what Hughes did. The kid still has a ways to go before he has “arrived” but you can’t look at last night and not take something positive away from it.

Hughes ought to stay with #65. Forget about that #34 stuff. Too much Jaret Wright.

Good find Tresh Fan.

Lee Sinins, are you reading this? Can the raw data in the CBE tell us the top teams with at least 16 years of being 12 games over .500?

Steve, I have to give you credit. I thought you would sum up the day’s action by saying something like “Phil Hughes had a great workout pitching 8 innings of a simulated game.”
Anywho, with their 87th win tonight the Yankees have now had 16 consecutive years at finishing at least a dozen games over .500. So far as I know, the record for most consectutive years at a dozen games over .500 is 19 (NY Yankees, 1926-1944), and the only other franchise to have at least 16 straight years at a dozen games over .500 (unless I’m wrong) is the Baltimore Orioles from 1968 to 1983. Okay, so it’s not a major milestone…but hey, it’s something.

~~just give him so freakin’ credit.~~

Did you miss the part where I said it was probably the best game that he’s ever pitched in the major leagues?

~~Of course, the Blue Jays’ offense isn’t exactly spectacular, though I could be wrong.~~

AL Team RCAA stats coming into today:

1 Red Sox 108
2 Rangers 89
3 Twins 31
T4 Devil Rays 25
T4 Orioles 25
6 Tigers 22
7 Indians 20
8 Yankees 1
9 White Sox -15
10 Blue Jays -39
11 Angels -48
12 Royals -64
13 Mariners -75
14 A’s -123

AL Team Runs scored, coming into today:

1 Rangers 867
2 Red Sox 820
3 Twins 810
4 Tigers 791
5 Indians 776
6 White Sox 775
7 Orioles 773
8 Yankees 753
9 Devil Rays 743
10 Angels 741
11 Blue Jays 690
12 Royals 669
13 Mariners 641
14 A’s 628

Pretty safe to say that the Jays are the 10th worst hitting team in a league that has 14 teams.

Wait. So is this what you’re saying? When the Yankees have a bad line-up, whatever their pitcher does means absolutely nothing, because he feels like it is a Spring Training game? And this is regardless of the opponent’s lineup, which happened to be their everyday lineup? A line-up which has a .300 hitter, four .290ish hitters, and a .270ish hitter?

That’s some messed up logic.

It was likely the fact that, as you said, he was taking advantage of his curve, and his control was a million times better. (No walks.) Also, it was his second Major League start since his injury.

I’m not saying to say he’s arrived, just give him so freakin’ credit.