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	<title>Comments on: Cashman: Last 3 Years Not Good, Lots Of Work To Be Done</title>
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		<title>By: gphunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>gphunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know they weren&#039;t.  I can&#039;t really still credit Gene Michael with any championships that may come in the next few years that those guys are still around.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/25/cashman-last-3-years-not-good-lots-of-work-to-be-done/comment-page-1/#comment-46862</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming that all the heavy lifting was done by the guys Cashman put on the team, it would be his championship...meaning Brian.

BTW, Jeter, Posada and Rivera were not put on the team by Cashman.</description>
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<p>BTW, Jeter, Posada and Rivera were not put on the team by Cashman.</p>
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		<title>By: gphunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>gphunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypo situation: 

Yanks win World Series with core of new and old Yankee farmhands.  (Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Hughes, Chamberlain, Wang, Cano...etc) Cashman declined to come back at the end of the 2008 Season.  

Will you label it Cashman&#039;s championship?  Or will it be the new GM&#039;s championship?</description>
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<p>Yanks win World Series with core of new and old Yankee farmhands.  (Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Hughes, Chamberlain, Wang, Cano&#8230;etc) Cashman declined to come back at the end of the 2008 Season.  </p>
<p>Will you label it Cashman&#8217;s championship?  Or will it be the new GM&#8217;s championship?</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/25/cashman-last-3-years-not-good-lots-of-work-to-be-done/comment-page-1/#comment-46841</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot blame Brian Cashman for the signings of Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa. They seemed like the right moves at the time. Further, Mr. Cashman now has a vision of building from within that will carry the Yankees forward…and no one can doubt that this plan will not succeed.
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I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s asking you to do that.  I&#039;ll ask you to be reasonable, and be fair.

Pavano was a stupid signing, no doubt about it.  I said it then, I&#039;ll say it now.

Igawa, less so.

Trading for Weaver, Brown, Vazquez, ARod, etc, all made sense at the time.  As did signing Giambi, Mussina &amp; Clemens.

Not sure what you want from Cashman; in the example from last year, I don&#039;t see how he could&#039;ve prevented Wang from imploding twice in the playoffs, or Posada from properly blocking Joba&#039;s slider.  I don&#039;t know how he could&#039;ve prevented the collapse of 2004 (you have a 1 run lead, &amp; Rivera on the mound; even if that game is blown, you have Mussina &amp; Lieber in the hole), not sure how he could&#039;ve prevented the injuries or the offense underperforming, so on and so forth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_46841','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_46841"><p>I cannot blame Brian Cashman for the signings of Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa. They seemed like the right moves at the time. Further, Mr. Cashman now has a vision of building from within that will carry the Yankees forward…and no one can doubt that this plan will not succeed.<br />
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I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s asking you to do that.  I&#8217;ll ask you to be reasonable, and be fair.</p>
<p>Pavano was a stupid signing, no doubt about it.  I said it then, I&#8217;ll say it now.</p>
<p>Igawa, less so.</p>
<p>Trading for Weaver, Brown, Vazquez, ARod, etc, all made sense at the time.  As did signing Giambi, Mussina &amp; Clemens.</p>
<p>Not sure what you want from Cashman; in the example from last year, I don&#8217;t see how he could&#8217;ve prevented Wang from imploding twice in the playoffs, or Posada from properly blocking Joba&#8217;s slider.  I don&#8217;t know how he could&#8217;ve prevented the collapse of 2004 (you have a 1 run lead, &amp; Rivera on the mound; even if that game is blown, you have Mussina &amp; Lieber in the hole), not sure how he could&#8217;ve prevented the injuries or the offense underperforming, so on and so forth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, I get it, to be a popular blog, you have to write things like:

Yo, Yo, Yo, Ca$h-Money iz da bomb, yeaaaaa! He rulz! Check it!&quot;

yup, exactly what was said. you&#039;ve got it.</description>
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<p>Yo, Yo, Yo, Ca$h-Money iz da bomb, yeaaaaa! He rulz! Check it!&#8221;</p>
<p>yup, exactly what was said. you&#8217;ve got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply having Cash above the new GM as a figurehead doesn’t address these points.
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As a matter of fact, it makes it worse, because you have another faction added to the mix.</description>
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As a matter of fact, it makes it worse, because you have another faction added to the mix.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/25/cashman-last-3-years-not-good-lots-of-work-to-be-done/comment-page-1/#comment-46834</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got it wrong…the promotion will allow him to oversee the person making the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making…

hence, it’s more power and authority.
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Now you&#039;re being disingenuous.  Overseeing the person making the day-to-day decisions is not the same as what he does now.

Even if Cashman remains within the organization and becomes the conduit for dealing with Steinbrenner-created dysfunction and a restive media, you still have not addressed the fundamental questions of whether this person could (1) wield the authority within the organization such that we wouldn’t return to the bad days of Tampa vs. New York, (2) handle the stupider of the two Steinbrenner sons (Hank, clearly) such that his meddlesome nature wouldn’t interfere with the running of the club, or (3) not pull a 180 and revert back to the concept that player development doesn’t work in New York and give us a New York Knicks/1980’s Yanks type of situation.

Simply having Cash above the new GM as a figurehead doesn&#039;t address these points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_46834','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_46834"><p>You got it wrong…the promotion will allow him to oversee the person making the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making…</p>
<p>hence, it’s more power and authority.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Now you&#8217;re being disingenuous.  Overseeing the person making the day-to-day decisions is not the same as what he does now.</p>
<p>Even if Cashman remains within the organization and becomes the conduit for dealing with Steinbrenner-created dysfunction and a restive media, you still have not addressed the fundamental questions of whether this person could (1) wield the authority within the organization such that we wouldn’t return to the bad days of Tampa vs. New York, (2) handle the stupider of the two Steinbrenner sons (Hank, clearly) such that his meddlesome nature wouldn’t interfere with the running of the club, or (3) not pull a 180 and revert back to the concept that player development doesn’t work in New York and give us a New York Knicks/1980’s Yanks type of situation.</p>
<p>Simply having Cash above the new GM as a figurehead doesn&#8217;t address these points.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~~“Promoting” him to a position where he would give up the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making is the same as firing him.~~

You got it wrong...the promotion will allow him to oversee the person making the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making...

hence, it&#039;s more power and authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_46828','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_46828"><p>~~“Promoting” him to a position where he would give up the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making is the same as firing him.~~</p>
<p>You got it wrong&#8230;the promotion will allow him to oversee the person making the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making&#8230;</p>
<p>hence, it&#8217;s more power and authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I get it, to be a popular blog, you have to write things like:

Yo, Yo, Yo, Ca$h-Money iz da bomb, yeaaaaa!  He rulz!  Check it!

or...

I cannot blame Brian Cashman for the signings of Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa.  They seemed like the right moves at the time.  Further, Mr. Cashman now has a vision of building from within that will carry the Yankees forward...and no one can doubt that this plan will not succeed.

 - - thanks guys, now I know what to do.

[rolls eyes]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_46827','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_46827"><p>Oh, I get it, to be a popular blog, you have to write things like:</p>
<p>Yo, Yo, Yo, Ca$h-Money iz da bomb, yeaaaaa!  He rulz!  Check it!</p>
<p>or&#8230;</p>
<p>I cannot blame Brian Cashman for the signings of Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa.  They seemed like the right moves at the time.  Further, Mr. Cashman now has a vision of building from within that will carry the Yankees forward&#8230;and no one can doubt that this plan will not succeed.</p>
<p> &#8211; - thanks guys, now I know what to do.</p>
<p>[rolls eyes]</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s not the same as firing him. He gets to stay with the Yankees, enjoy everything that brings, make tons of money, enjoy the fame of being the face of the team, etc.

That’s no where near the same as being unemployed.
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Don&#039;t play coy with me.  &quot;Promoting&quot; him to a position where he would give up the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making is the same as firing him.  The question isn&#039;t about if he can afford to send his kids to Exeter, Harvard, and Yale, it&#039;s about running the show as Cashman has done from October 2005-present.

So, back to my question.  How to address my points for the next guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_46824','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_46824"><p>It’s not the same as firing him. He gets to stay with the Yankees, enjoy everything that brings, make tons of money, enjoy the fame of being the face of the team, etc.</p>
<p>That’s no where near the same as being unemployed.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Don&#8217;t play coy with me.  &#8220;Promoting&#8221; him to a position where he would give up the day-to-day baseball operations decision-making is the same as firing him.  The question isn&#8217;t about if he can afford to send his kids to Exeter, Harvard, and Yale, it&#8217;s about running the show as Cashman has done from October 2005-present.</p>
<p>So, back to my question.  How to address my points for the next guy?</p>
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