• 2008: Yankees Vs. Mets

    Posted by on September 29th, 2008 · Comments (10)

    Both the Yankees and the Mets went 89-73 this season.

    The Yankees had a shot at the post-season through 157 games this year.
    The Mets had a shot at the post-season through 162 games this year.

    The Yankees spent 2 days in first place this season: Opening Day and April 16th (when they were tied for first).

    The Mets spent 39 days in first place this season – with their biggest lead being 3.5 games on September 10th. Their last day in first place was on September 19th when they were up by a half-game.

    So, basically, the difference between the Mets and the Yankees this season was that the Mets spent 37 more days in first place than the Yankees and the Mets were “alive” for 5 more games (longer) during the season.

    I offer this up in case you find yourself in a Yanks-Mets debate today and need some stats…

    Comments on 2008: Yankees Vs. Mets

    1. MJ
      September 29th, 2008 | 9:19 am

      Both teams feel a bit hollow this morning, but for different reasons. It wasn’t a great season for either borough, I suppose.

      I won’t lie, I’m pretty thrilled that the Mets flopped again. At least the stupid fallacy that it was Willie’s fault can be put to rest.

    2. Raf
      September 29th, 2008 | 9:23 am

      At least the stupid fallacy that it was Willie’s fault can be put to rest.
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      Hardly. So now it becomes “Willie put them in a hole they could not escape.”

    3. September 29th, 2008 | 9:34 am

      Nah, 2008 shows that the Mets collapse – this year and last year – is on the players.

    4. Raf
      September 29th, 2008 | 10:13 am

      Nah, 2008 shows that the Mets collapse – this year and last year – is on the players.
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      Oh, I know that, I’m just saying… You know the contortions people will go through to make their point.

      As the cliche goes, you can’t fire the players, it’s easier to go after the manager, then the GM.

    5. MJ
      September 29th, 2008 | 11:05 am

      it’s easier to go after the manager, then the GM.
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      Which makes me wonder why Omar Minaya gets to keep his job after he scapegoated Willie.

    6. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      September 29th, 2008 | 11:06 am

      There were some other interesting similarities. From the LoHud blog:

      Yankees
      89-73
      48-33 home
      41-40 road
      789 runs scored
      727 runs allowed

      Mets
      89-73
      48-33 home
      41-40 road
      799 runs scored
      715 runs allowed

      And in terms of those Runs Allowed/Runs Scored stats, there wasn’t exactly a huge difference between the leagues. The NL scored 40 runs fewer, which makes the Mets scoring more runs than the Yanks more impressive (although we all know the Yanks offense declined substantially, otherwise this stat wouldn’t be close).

      On Runs Allowed, the NL allowed just 8 fewer runs than the AL. So, while its true that the Yankee run prevention improved from 2007, the Mets, with significant pitching issues (and one major ace addition) ended up outpitching the Yanks, all things considered.

    7. Tresh Fan
      September 29th, 2008 | 11:10 am

      Well, just compare the thirdbaseman from each team (courtesy of the Hardball Times):

      Alex Rodriguez – .271 BA/RISP, and -11.4 Clutch

      David Wright – .243 BA/RISP, and -9.6 Clutch

      My Met Fan brothers are as happy with Wright as I am with A-Rod.

    8. williamnyy
      September 29th, 2008 | 12:09 pm

      Clutch is a stupid stat because it defines clutch relative to a player’s normal performance. If you bat .150, but bump it up to .175 in “clutch” situations, you are rated higher than the player who bats .325, but drops down to .300 in “clutch” spots.

      Both Arod and Wright start with such a high baseline, so naturally it is more difficult for them to register as “clutch”. Yankee and Met fans should be happy that they get to watch two of the best players in the game.

    9. September 29th, 2008 | 1:12 pm

      >> Nah, 2008 shows that the Mets collapse – this year and last year – is on the players. >>

      More specifically, anyone in that godawful bullpen. If the Mets & Yanks combined rosters, that’d be one dangerous team. ;-)

    10. antone
      September 29th, 2008 | 4:33 pm

      Wow how did A-Rod get his average up to .271 with RISP? He was hitting .240 a few weeks ago….nice for him to pick it up once the Yanks were out of it.

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