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	<title>Comments on: Girardi: Yanks To Add Experienced Starter(s)</title>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47305</link>
		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And furthermore, the issue isn&#039;t whether its a backhanded compliment, its that just as A-Rod has consistently followed up MVP-seasons with less stunning seasons, so has Burnett followed up strong seasons with injury-plagued ones:

2002:
29 starts, 204 innings
2003:
4 starts, 23 innings

2005:
32 starts, 209 innings
2006:
21 starts, 135 innings

2008:
34 starts, 221 innings
2009:
?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47305','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_47305"><p>And furthermore, the issue isn&#8217;t whether its a backhanded compliment, its that just as A-Rod has consistently followed up MVP-seasons with less stunning seasons, so has Burnett followed up strong seasons with injury-plagued ones:</p>
<p>2002:<br />
29 starts, 204 innings<br />
2003:<br />
4 starts, 23 innings</p>
<p>2005:<br />
32 starts, 209 innings<br />
2006:<br />
21 starts, 135 innings</p>
<p>2008:<br />
34 starts, 221 innings<br />
2009:<br />
?????</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47283</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Steve pointed out a few days ago, A-Freud was awful the last two months or so.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47252</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, take Kyle Lohse off the list today.  Cards locked him up.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47251</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best numbers...maybe.  But, most valuable?</description>
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		<title>By: gphunt</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47250</link>
		<dc:creator>gphunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.&quot;

Really?

Give him his three weeks back that he missed back at the beginning of the season and he&#039;s got the best &quot;numbers&quot; in the AL.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('gphunt');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47250','gphunt');" /></div><span id="co_47250"><p>&#8220;Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?</p>
<p>Give him his three weeks back that he missed back at the beginning of the season and he&#8217;s got the best &#8220;numbers&#8221; in the AL&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/29/girardi-yanks-to-add-experienced-starters/comment-page-1/#comment-47224</link>
		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antone, I get the same feeling &#039;bout Burnett. I think he is going to stay in Toronto. He&#039;s better cast there anyway: his beloved pitching coach Brad Arnsberg is there, he is buddy-buddy with Halladay and Ricciardi is stupid enough to give him anything he wants. On the Yanks, he is just an accident waiting to happen.

Once I was I like your trade for Tim L BUT Toronto tried to sleaze him away by trading away Rios straight up and almost got him. Sabean almost made another of his stupid trades again but changed his mind. The key to any trade  for one of the young Giants pitchers is offense. Cano plus Austin Jackson and the Kennedy Hughes Experiment might get it done for only Cain alone. At this point Lincey is off the table.

CC seems to be the best thing even with the innings he&#039;s pitched this year. Yes, the dude is fat but he is a great pitcher. The Yanks are only throwing money at him and that&#039;s it. MJ , I agree with going with the best at a premium price (Dice-K) rather than a cheaper option(Igawa). Suzyn Waldman commented on how CC and AJ should be here next year, well I don&#039;t know about that BUT the Yanks should make the best offer and then see what happens otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('butchie22');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47224','butchie22');" /></div><span id="co_47224"><p>Antone, I get the same feeling &#8217;bout Burnett. I think he is going to stay in Toronto. He&#8217;s better cast there anyway: his beloved pitching coach Brad Arnsberg is there, he is buddy-buddy with Halladay and Ricciardi is stupid enough to give him anything he wants. On the Yanks, he is just an accident waiting to happen.</p>
<p>Once I was I like your trade for Tim L BUT Toronto tried to sleaze him away by trading away Rios straight up and almost got him. Sabean almost made another of his stupid trades again but changed his mind. The key to any trade  for one of the young Giants pitchers is offense. Cano plus Austin Jackson and the Kennedy Hughes Experiment might get it done for only Cain alone. At this point Lincey is off the table.</p>
<p>CC seems to be the best thing even with the innings he&#8217;s pitched this year. Yes, the dude is fat but he is a great pitcher. The Yanks are only throwing money at him and that&#8217;s it. MJ , I agree with going with the best at a premium price (Dice-K) rather than a cheaper option(Igawa). Suzyn Waldman commented on how CC and AJ should be here next year, well I don&#8217;t know about that BUT the Yanks should make the best offer and then see what happens otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.
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It&#039;s comical that that winning 3 MVP&#039;s in five seasons is phrased as a back-handed compliment.



CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Ben Sheets, Derek Lowe, Jon Garland, Kyle Lohse, Ryan Dempster, Oliver Perez and Brad Penny come into play. Or, maybe you have to end up trading for a guy like Gil Meche or Justin Duchscherer.
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+Sheets/Burnett are major injury risks.  Penny  might be too.  Not worth it.
+Garland could come on the cheap since he picked his FA year to pitch like crap down the stretch.
+Lohse/Dempster are NL creations that would get lit up like the Rockerfeller Center Christmas tree in the AL.
+Meche at $11M is, gulp, a well-priced pitcher in this market.  He&#039;s been pretty decent in stretches for KC the last two years.
+I need to see more from Duchscherer before I trade anything of value for him.  It&#039;s not too often that you see a career middle reliever become a Cy Young candidate as a starter.

As much as I don&#039;t believe in giving pitchers $20M contracts and as much as the Brewers &quot;UCLA&#039;ed&quot; Sabathia by squeezing extraneous pitches and innings out of his arm, I&#039;d rather make a $150M mistake on the best available player than a $75M mistake on a piece of crap.  Sabathia might represent a potential costlier mistake but at least if you&#039;re going to go down in flames, you go down swinging.  The Yanks can&#039;t accept a borderline scrub for half the price.  The pricetag alone can&#039;t be the motivating factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47223','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_47223"><p>Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
It&#8217;s comical that that winning 3 MVP&#8217;s in five seasons is phrased as a back-handed compliment.</p>
<p>CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Ben Sheets, Derek Lowe, Jon Garland, Kyle Lohse, Ryan Dempster, Oliver Perez and Brad Penny come into play. Or, maybe you have to end up trading for a guy like Gil Meche or Justin Duchscherer.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
+Sheets/Burnett are major injury risks.  Penny  might be too.  Not worth it.<br />
+Garland could come on the cheap since he picked his FA year to pitch like crap down the stretch.<br />
+Lohse/Dempster are NL creations that would get lit up like the Rockerfeller Center Christmas tree in the AL.<br />
+Meche at $11M is, gulp, a well-priced pitcher in this market.  He&#8217;s been pretty decent in stretches for KC the last two years.<br />
+I need to see more from Duchscherer before I trade anything of value for him.  It&#8217;s not too often that you see a career middle reliever become a Cy Young candidate as a starter.</p>
<p>As much as I don&#8217;t believe in giving pitchers $20M contracts and as much as the Brewers &#8220;UCLA&#8217;ed&#8221; Sabathia by squeezing extraneous pitches and innings out of his arm, I&#8217;d rather make a $150M mistake on the best available player than a $75M mistake on a piece of crap.  Sabathia might represent a potential costlier mistake but at least if you&#8217;re going to go down in flames, you go down swinging.  The Yanks can&#8217;t accept a borderline scrub for half the price.  The pricetag alone can&#8217;t be the motivating factor.</p>
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		<title>By: OnceIWasAYankeeFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnceIWasAYankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither Burnett nor Sheets are worth the injury risk.  Has anyone noticed that every time A.J. has a good year, pitches a lot of innings, he gets hurt the next year?  Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.

If Wang and Joba could be counted on to be aces for a full season, the Yanks could do well to bring in Lowe.  Antone is right that isn&#039;t a lot of upside but there&#039;s something to be said for his kind of consistency.

But to push the Yankee staff over into being truly dangerous at crunch time, I don&#039;t see how the only way they can pass on Sabathia is if they package enough youngsters to get an established, young ace.  How about Hughes, Kennedy, and at least one of Melky &amp; Cano for Linecum?  They could also slip Matsui into that package, if absolutely necessary.  Its giving up a lot but Lineceum has to be the most sought after young pitcher in the game.

So that&#039;s how it boils down for me - go as hard as possible for Sabathia, because he&#039;s needed and because the team can afford it even if he eats himself out of the league after four years.  Or package the young talent for someone young and established.  Stay away from Sheets and Burnett, either one will be Pavano II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47222','OnceIWasAYankeeFan');" /></div><span id="co_47222"><p>Neither Burnett nor Sheets are worth the injury risk.  Has anyone noticed that every time A.J. has a good year, pitches a lot of innings, he gets hurt the next year?  Almost as clockwork as A-Rod with his on-again, off-again MVP years.</p>
<p>If Wang and Joba could be counted on to be aces for a full season, the Yanks could do well to bring in Lowe.  Antone is right that isn&#8217;t a lot of upside but there&#8217;s something to be said for his kind of consistency.</p>
<p>But to push the Yankee staff over into being truly dangerous at crunch time, I don&#8217;t see how the only way they can pass on Sabathia is if they package enough youngsters to get an established, young ace.  How about Hughes, Kennedy, and at least one of Melky &amp; Cano for Linecum?  They could also slip Matsui into that package, if absolutely necessary.  Its giving up a lot but Lineceum has to be the most sought after young pitcher in the game.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s how it boils down for me &#8211; go as hard as possible for Sabathia, because he&#8217;s needed and because the team can afford it even if he eats himself out of the league after four years.  Or package the young talent for someone young and established.  Stay away from Sheets and Burnett, either one will be Pavano II.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters (no pun intended), the Yankees can and should open the bank vault in an effort to entice C.C. to the Bronx.  There simply is no one else close to that level who is likely to be available.  I also side with the view that Hughes et al should be treated as number six starters.  So the team ought to look for five pitchers.  I would encourage cashman to work hard to lure Mussina back, because the other options are not appealing and the competition will be intense.   Sheets is too much of an injury risk; I am not convinced Burnett is set on going back to Toronto.  Probably, then, it will be necessary to explore trading some of Cahman&#039;s prized assets, along with free agent possibilities.  Perhaps the Cubs want to unload Ted Lilly? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Scout');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47221','Scout');" /></div><span id="co_47221"><p>For starters (no pun intended), the Yankees can and should open the bank vault in an effort to entice C.C. to the Bronx.  There simply is no one else close to that level who is likely to be available.  I also side with the view that Hughes et al should be treated as number six starters.  So the team ought to look for five pitchers.  I would encourage cashman to work hard to lure Mussina back, because the other options are not appealing and the competition will be intense.   Sheets is too much of an injury risk; I am not convinced Burnett is set on going back to Toronto.  Probably, then, it will be necessary to explore trading some of Cahman&#8217;s prized assets, along with free agent possibilities.  Perhaps the Cubs want to unload Ted Lilly? <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, with innings limits, you&#039;re looking at some combination of Chamberlain, Kennedy &amp; Hughes.</description>
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