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	<title>Comments on: Joba&#8217;s Wing Still Hurting?</title>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/30/jobas-wing-still-hurting/comment-page-1/#comment-47423</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but he only threw 100 innings this year, and he got hurt. Twice. The 2nd time after doing nothing but relieving for a month.

So now what? Do the Yanks pitch him once a week in relief, saving him for only super duper ooper critical spots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47423','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_47423"><p>Yeah, but he only threw 100 innings this year, and he got hurt. Twice. The 2nd time after doing nothing but relieving for a month.</p>
<p>So now what? Do the Yanks pitch him once a week in relief, saving him for only super duper ooper critical spots?</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come on guys, think about this. He&#039;s saying if joba pitches 200 innings he&#039;ll get hurt. Steve is implying that he can&#039;t even pitch 100 innings and not get hurt, how are we supposed to think he can throw 200.</description>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, simply watching Joba since his return, his stuff is nowhere  as dominant as pre-injury. But, as Evan points out, he&#039;s been used exclusively since from the bullpen. So where is there any correlation?

The guy has/had three, maybe four, quality pitches. That is wasted in the bullpen. Since injuries happen, better to try and leverage Joba as a starter than from the bullpen.

And in the future, some thinking Joba as Mariano&#039;s replacement, how is being a team&#039;s full time closer going to alleviate stress and strain? That is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Don');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_47350','Don');" /></div><span id="co_47350"><p>True, simply watching Joba since his return, his stuff is nowhere  as dominant as pre-injury. But, as Evan points out, he&#8217;s been used exclusively since from the bullpen. So where is there any correlation?</p>
<p>The guy has/had three, maybe four, quality pitches. That is wasted in the bullpen. Since injuries happen, better to try and leverage Joba as a starter than from the bullpen.</p>
<p>And in the future, some thinking Joba as Mariano&#8217;s replacement, how is being a team&#8217;s full time closer going to alleviate stress and strain? That is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>~~And this suggests Jorge is right…in exactly what way?~~

Posada said that, if you ask Joba to throw 200 IP, he&#039;s going to get hurt..implying that his shoulder could not take the strain of starting.</description>
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<p>Posada said that, if you ask Joba to throw 200 IP, he&#8217;s going to get hurt..implying that his shoulder could not take the strain of starting.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/09/30/jobas-wing-still-hurting/comment-page-1/#comment-47343</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme see if I get this right.

Joba hurts his shoulder while starting. They give him a month off and bring him back as a reliever.

Meanwhile, Jorge says they should leave him in the pen, because he&#039;ll get hurt as a starter.

So he&#039;s back in the pen, and now, the shoulder is bothering him again.

And this suggests Jorge is right...in exactly what way?

Is it possible that Joba&#039;s motion (failure to finish properly to decelerate and stopping his arm by hitting it against his body) is going to cause major shoulder problems no matter how he&#039;s used, as was suggested by one of the internet pitching motion analysts (I forget which one) a while back?

If so, it will blow out in either role. If not, who&#039;s to say using him 34 times a year for 100 pitches, some of which he&#039;ll be able to throw at less than 100% effort is more destructive than throwing 20 pitches a game for 60-70 games a year, most or all of these pitches all out in a tight game (Hold situations)?

If Joba can be a starter, that&#039;s where you use him. If he blows out his shoulder, pray it can be fixed. I mean, we never see top relievers blow out their arms, do we? 

Sometimes, I think people have never seen a closer except for Mariano.</description>
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<p>Joba hurts his shoulder while starting. They give him a month off and bring him back as a reliever.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Jorge says they should leave him in the pen, because he&#8217;ll get hurt as a starter.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s back in the pen, and now, the shoulder is bothering him again.</p>
<p>And this suggests Jorge is right&#8230;in exactly what way?</p>
<p>Is it possible that Joba&#8217;s motion (failure to finish properly to decelerate and stopping his arm by hitting it against his body) is going to cause major shoulder problems no matter how he&#8217;s used, as was suggested by one of the internet pitching motion analysts (I forget which one) a while back?</p>
<p>If so, it will blow out in either role. If not, who&#8217;s to say using him 34 times a year for 100 pitches, some of which he&#8217;ll be able to throw at less than 100% effort is more destructive than throwing 20 pitches a game for 60-70 games a year, most or all of these pitches all out in a tight game (Hold situations)?</p>
<p>If Joba can be a starter, that&#8217;s where you use him. If he blows out his shoulder, pray it can be fixed. I mean, we never see top relievers blow out their arms, do we? </p>
<p>Sometimes, I think people have never seen a closer except for Mariano.</p>
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