• Three More Years Of Brian Cashman

    Posted by on September 30th, 2008 · Comments (20)

    Brian Cashman and the Yankees have agreed on a three-year deal that will keep him with the team through the 2011 season as their General Manager.

    For this Yankees fan, this news is like a punch right to the gut.

    The Hank-Half of the Brothers Stein is always quick to point out that there have been “mistakes” made in Yankeeland in the last five to seven years that need to be “fixed.”

    Well, the Yankees just had a chance to “fix” one of those biggest “mistakes” – but, they really screwed the pooch with this call…giving Cashman three more years to prove that he’s one of the worst talent evaluators in the big leagues.

    On the bright side, I suspect that Cashman will never make it to that third year of this deal. So, in the end, this will probably only be two more years of having to endure “Cecil Turtle In Charge.”

    Comments on Three More Years Of Brian Cashman

    1. Corey
      September 30th, 2008 | 6:34 pm

      For this Yankees fan, this news is like a punch right to the gut
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      haha, i can’t wait to see the response this one gets…

    2. Corey
      September 30th, 2008 | 6:36 pm

      On the bright side, I suspect that Cashman will never make it to that third year of this deal.
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      can we get another sign bet on this one? haha when’s the house paying out on that one?

    3. Jake1
      September 30th, 2008 | 7:56 pm

      Maybe he can get more Igawa’s and Pavano’s for the rotation and stocking the bench with Betemit’s and Duncan’s for the bench.

      The man knows talent!

    4. AndrewYF
      September 30th, 2008 | 8:21 pm

      I’m just wondering, Steve, what you think of other GMs in the game.

      What is your opinion of Dave Dombrowski of the Tigers? Talk about a trainwreck of a season. Reports are that since this was the “go for it” year for the Tigers, they have to cut payroll, but they’re already comitted to a number that’s very close to the payroll goal. Looks like the Tigers won’t be getting any better next year. And could that Jair Jurrgens for Edgar Renteria (option has already been declined) trade have been any more of a complete bust? And with all the pitching woes that everyone was predicting to befall the Tigers this season…Also, did he really think Dontrelle Willis could compete at the major league level? I wonder if they didn’t demand him back in the deal, if they could have kept Cameron Maybin, who looks like he could be an all-star outfielder very soon. Combine that with reports that Rick Porcello doesn’t exactly have that upper-90s blow-em-away fastball, and Justin Verlander’s severe step back this year. Also, Miguel Cabrera is already too fat to play any other position than first base, and has already had one of his worst rate-stats seasons of his career. Man, talk about a lack of talent evaluation, right? Whoof.

      Oh, wait. You’re on record saying Dombrowski is one of, if not the best GM in the game:


      ~~~I will say this about Dombrowski, is there a better GM in baseball?~~~

      And, don’t forget the work that he did with the Expos and Marlins too.

      He’s right up there with Terry Ryan, to me. They’re two of the best in the business, IMHO.

      Yikes. Looks like Steve isn’t exactly the best ‘talent evaluator’ himself, huh?

    5. Raf
      September 30th, 2008 | 8:25 pm

      The man knows talent!
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      Yep… Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Bobby Abreu… Or doesn’t he get credit for that?

    6. Raf
      September 30th, 2008 | 8:25 pm

      For this Yankees fan, this news is like a punch right to the gut
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      At least you have 3 more years worth of material :D

    7. FourKings
      September 30th, 2008 | 8:27 pm

      You know, I’m big for tradition in baseball. Its one thing that I think makes all sports great in general. And I’m all for the patience that is required in the sport for players and managers to kinda get their stuff together sometimes and figure out how a new team works. But Cashman has been at the Yankees for too long, and has simply not done the job he has been paid literally millions of dollars to perform. Its not like hes in a slump like a player. Hes not a ‘baseball’ guy in the organization, hes an executive, a Yuppie who likes baseball. His job? Decide who to bring onto the team, and whom to let go. He listens to others opinions to make his judgments about who to sign. Know what Theo did when he was made GM? Got Bill James to advise him on what players to recruit starting in 2002. And so the story goes…

      Can you imagine a portfolio manager staying at the head of a portfolio after seven under performing years? Strings of bad luck don’t cut it. Hes had plenty of opportunities to make SOLID bets with established players – young and old – instead he has spent a billion dollars with no results that Yankees fan following the Steinbrenner doctrine can call a success. I mean really, it sounded romantic last spring to have three fresh starters who were here to herald in a new era of the Yankees, and at the time I’ll admit I was excited to see what they could do. But from a business standpoint – not a fans – having three out of your five starters – or $160 million+ of your year’s playing time – be based on a gamble that they would all do well for a full season, in the Show, for the first time? Ridiculous.

      I read this site a lot, and I know most of you are displeased with Cashman… to say the least. I’m just ranting because I can’t believe there are still Cashman apologists out there. Should’ve gotten rid of the guy – what was there to lose?

    8. diony
      September 30th, 2008 | 10:49 pm

      “For this Yankees fan, this news is like a punch right to the gut”

      You mean for you?

      I’m really happy that Cashman is back, because now he can finish what he started.

      He can’t evaluate talent? How’s that? First of all he has a department to do that leaded by Oppenheimer and people like Gene Michael.

      So he can’t evaluate talent? What about our prospects? And players signed like Wang and Matsui.

      He makes a mistake with Igawa, and you start bashing him? Oh please.

    9. September 30th, 2008 | 10:53 pm

      I read this site a lot, and I know most of you are displeased with Cashman… to say the least. I’m just ranting because I can’t believe there are still Cashman apologists out there.

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      You serious? More than half the comments on Cashman posts are people completely disagreeing with Steve on Cashman.

    10. yankees76
      September 30th, 2008 | 11:38 pm

      It’s said that every team (and its fans) over-hypes their prospects. I wonder if there’s a corollary: that a team and its fans often under-hype their stars. That’s relevant in evaluating Cashman. We focus on Ed Yarnall, when there’s plenty of positive evidence staring us in the face.

      How about the Mike Mussina FA signing? (Or was it Felix Lopez who was behind that one?) How about Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang in the amateur draft? How about getting Westbrook AND Lilly for Hideki Irabu? How about getting Clemens for Wells, Lloyd and Homer Bush?

      Pavano had many teams interested in and bidding on him, including the Red Sox and the Tigers (who reportedly offered him more money).

      There are organizational issues with talent evaluation, and the Yankees are not the best talent evaluators in baseball. Maybe that’s the crime.

    11. yankees76
      September 30th, 2008 | 11:50 pm

      And, how about Soriano for A-Rod and cash?? I don’t care if it was a salary dump. The Red Sox had a deal in place for A-Rod, couldn’t get Union approval and couldn’t re-work it. Cashman then swoops in, completely under the radar, and gets A-Rod and cash by giving up only one quality player.

    12. handtius
      September 30th, 2008 | 11:55 pm

      In the words of a great man… “ha ha” (Nelson via Simpsons). I’m a fan of the cashman.

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    14. susanmullen
      October 1st, 2008 | 12:25 am

      I believe ownership is more important than the general manager. In this case, this ownership has yet to learn the consequences of sequential losing seasons, ie empty seats. The team probably will not get to the post season again for several years. There will be empty seats. As it is, the team did not become #1 in AL attendance until 2003 (dating from 1990). It took many consecutive post season appearances before those seats were sold. It wasn’t because they were the Yankees. Hank talks a lot, but all reports say he has almost nothing to do with decisions. Hal is the guy, though Hank is about to come into his own again with focus on Tampa–he’s big as long as he’s parked down there, but don’t ask him to get on a plane.

    15. October 1st, 2008 | 12:37 am

      AndrewYF -

      Dombrowski took a team that had lost 119 games in one year..and had them in the World Series three years later.

      Has Brian Cashman ever done anything close to that?

    16. Raf
      October 1st, 2008 | 2:13 am

      Dombrowski took a team that had lost 119 games in one year..and had them in the World Series three years later.
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      About those Tigers…

      04: 72
      05: 71
      06: 95
      07: 88
      08: 74

      Looks to me that 06 was a spike, an outlier, maybe. You would think that DD would be able to maintain the success of 06?

    17. October 1st, 2008 | 8:12 am

      However, DD also has fine jobs in MON and FLA also on his resume. And, the book is still open on his job in Motown…whereas we’ve seen Cashman do the same thing for 7 years now.

    18. Raf
      October 1st, 2008 | 4:48 pm

      However, DD also has fine jobs in MON and FLA also on his resume.
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      Expos (ERA+, Team finish in division)
      87: 107, 3rd
      88: 116, 3rd
      89: 102, 4th
      90: 108, 3rd
      91: 100, 7th

      Marlins (ERA+, Team finish in division)
      93: 103, 7th
      ***3 division format***
      94: 96, 5th
      95: 99, 4th
      96: 104, 3rd
      97: 106, 2nd
      98: 77, 5th
      99: 89, 5th
      00: 96, 3rd
      01: 98, 4th

      Yep, an excellent resume… Never had a division title, teams only qualified for the playoffs once in the 14 seasons he was a GM. One Series winner in 14 seasons.

      Also, it appears many of those pitching staffs were around league average.

      Kinda makes you wonder how he ever managed to get and keep a job? ;)

    19. Corey
      October 1st, 2008 | 6:58 pm

      burnnnn

    20. McMillan
      October 22nd, 2013 | 7:43 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Yep, an excellent resume… Never had a division title, teams only qualified for the playoffs once in the 14 seasons he was a GM. One Series winner in 14 seasons.
      Also, it appears many of those pitching staffs were around league average.

      Kinda makes you wonder how he ever managed to get and keep a job?

      LOL… Yeah, DD is still putting together league-average pitching staffs, and walking around with a resume that can not approach Cashman’s; some things will never change.

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