• Carsten Charles Choker?

    Posted by on October 2nd, 2008 · Comments (16)

    CC Sabathia’s five career post-season starts, including today:

    October 2, 2008: 3.2 IP, 6 H, 4 BB, 5 ER

    October 18, 2007: 6 IP, 10 H, 2 BB, 4 ER

    October 12, 2007: 4.1 IP, 7 H, 5 BB, 8 ER

    October 4, 2007: 5 IP, 4 H, 6 BB, 3 ER

    October 13, 2001: 6 IP, 6 H, 5 BB, 2 ER

    Oh, yeah, he’d be great for the Yankees…pass.

    Comments on Carsten Charles Choker?

    1. Corey
      October 2nd, 2008 | 11:48 pm

      can’t choke in the playoffs if you don’t make it…

    2. shaked
      October 3rd, 2008 | 2:09 am

      What about:

      9/16: 7 IP, 9 H, 0 BB, 4 ER, 99 pitches
      9/20: 5.2 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 ER, 105 pitches
      9/24: 7 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 1 ER, 108 pitches
      9/28: 9 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 0 ER, 122 pitches

      4 starts in 13 days, 434 pitches.

      Or maybe I should cherry pick some other random starts and not 4 in a row (3 of which were on 3 days rest). Do you really not want him on the Yankees? Who would you prefer in his place? Surely you aren’t happy with what the Yanks have now. Or would you rather the team be awful to prove your point (that Cashman is terrible)? I don’t understand. CC is a quality pitcher, yet you think the Yanks should “pass.” The way I see it, you’re looking for more reasons why you’re so “right” about Cash. He can’t build a staff, can’t scout pitchers, etc.

      How many teams will be after Sabathia this off-season? Let’s just say 5 including the Yankees. You’re the guy who will make a couple of posts about how bad CC is just to have them on record in October so if/when he gets injured you can have a field day linking to them saying, “SEE I TOLD YOU IT WAS A BAD IDEA.” You’ll put something like “he’s pitched XXX innings in X years” somewhere in your blog just so you can link to it.

      You don’t actually care what happens to the team, you just want material to make yourself look smart. And then when some of the more loyal readers prove you wrong (like in the case of Kei Igawa) by linking to your own terrible ideas, you just say, “I don’t get paid millions to make those decisions.”

      So basically, with you, it’s a win-win situation. If you’re right, Cash should be fired. If you’re wrong, hey, you don’t get paid, you’re just a fan.

      But hey, it’s your blog, I’m just a reader, what do I know? Maybe you just need some traffic so you’ll say whatever it takes. Why be rational? You get more hits by being completely unreasonable.

    3. JeremyM
      October 3rd, 2008 | 8:37 am

      Oh come on. The guy has pitched what, his last 4 or 5 starts on three-days rest, throws nothing but gems and gets them into the playoffs, and he’s a choker when he finally runs out of gas?

    4. October 3rd, 2008 | 8:40 am

      Wanna write off last night due to his workload? Sure. But, then, what about the games before this season?

      Me? I think if a guy cannot handle the pressure of pitching in the post-season, then there’s a good chance he can’t handle the pressure of pitching for the Yankees.

      Your mileage may vary.

    5. Jake1
      October 3rd, 2008 | 9:52 am

      The workload thing is what scares me.

      What pitcher can do the 250+ innings thing yr after yr nowadays??

      And you want to give him 20 mil a yr for 7 yrs?

      I think they’d be better served targeting Tex for 1b and Burnett and someone like Lowe.

    6. Raf
      October 3rd, 2008 | 10:03 am

      Me? I think if a guy cannot handle the pressure of pitching in the post-season, then there’s a good chance he can’t handle the pressure of pitching for the Yankees.
      —–
      Problem is, the idea of “pitching under pressure” for the Yanks is bunk… And we all know about the randomness of the postseason

      Esteban Loaiza, 2004
      Regular season: 1-2, 8.50
      Post season: 0-1, 1.42

      David Weathers, 1996
      Regular season: 0-2, 9.35
      Post season: 3-0, 0.82

      Obi Wang, 2007
      Regular season: 19-7, 3.70
      Post season: 0-2, 19.06

      Jeff Weaver, 2006
      Regular season: 8-14, 5.76
      Post season: 3-2, 2.48

      So on, and so forth…

    7. October 3rd, 2008 | 10:26 am

      Raf, I know, I know…but, it sure looks like CC is an October chocker to me…

      and the Yankees cannot afford any more $100+ million October chokers, can they?

    8. gphunt
      October 3rd, 2008 | 10:50 am

      I don’t know how what Steve said is cherry picking. Those are CC’s stats in the post season…hard to call that cherry picking.

      Anyways, the Yanks haven proved they can win in the regular season over the past several years; however, they seem to come up pretty short in the post season due to pitching. It’s hard to deny that. If CC is the type of pitcher that pitches great in the regular season and can’t cut it in the post-season then he’s just another type of pitcher the Yankees have been signing the past few years.

    9. Raf
      October 3rd, 2008 | 10:58 am

      and the Yankees cannot afford any more $100+ million October chokers, can they?
      ———-
      They can afford it…

      Anyway, the price tag doesn’t guarantee anything, as you can find players at all pay grades that have succeeded and failed in the postseason.

    10. Raf
      October 3rd, 2008 | 11:08 am

      however, they seem to come up pretty short in the post season due to pitching.
      ——–
      It’s a combination of pitching, hitting and defense. And luck. 2004 was the perfect example of this. What are the odds that the greatest closer in history blows saves in back to back games? What are the odds that umpires overturn not one but two calls in a game (Bellhorn’s HR, ARod’s slap)?

      And even if it could be traced back to the pitching, who saw Wang imploding twice in 2007? And the one well pitched game they got, they lost 2-1.

    11. Scout
      October 3rd, 2008 | 5:10 pm

      Steve:
      OK, you want to pass on C.C. Who do you want as your number one starter, your ace, to take the team through the 2009 season and perhaps several more?

    12. October 3rd, 2008 | 5:25 pm

      Scout – this is where your GM has to earn his money. If there’s nothing on the FA market that’s worth the money, and you have the need, then you have to make a trade, one that maybe no one saw coming, where you give some assets to fill that need with someone stellar…

      Oh, wait, that was last year, with Santana, and the Cash-man let that one slide right by…

      Is there another Santana type deal to be made this off-season? Cashman better hope so – because that might be his only chance to get that #1 ace, etc.

    13. Raf
      October 4th, 2008 | 11:39 am

      Oh, wait, that was last year, with Santana, and the Cash-man let that one slide right by…
      ———
      And the Twins made the playoffs, the Mets missed the playoffs, and the Yanks offensive and defensive problems in 2008 probably make no difference if Santana’s acquired…

      Problem with the Yanks this year, wasn’t the pitching.

    14. December 10th, 2008 | 10:59 pm

      [...] Now, who is CC Sabathia? Well, he’s not Johan Santana in terms of his career stats – that’s not even close. And, he doesn’t pitch like, say, Curt Schilling in the post-season – that’s for sure. [...]

    15. October 2nd, 2009 | 11:28 pm

      [...] Well, September is now behind us and I see that CC Sabathia has already rounded into October form… [...]

    16. Raf
      October 3rd, 2009 | 9:06 pm

      And the Yanks STILL made the playoffs without Santanta. Mets STILL haven’t made the playoffs with Santana in their rotation :D

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