• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 10/22/08

    Posted by on October 22nd, 2008 · Comments (21)

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    Comments on WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 10/22/08

    1. gphunt
      October 22nd, 2008 | 7:49 am

      I’m sure a lot of you will hate this idea, but what about a trade for Alfonso Soriano? The Cubs will do anything to move his salary. If the Yankees could get an Arod type deal where the cubs throw in A TON of money then is it not worth it to place him in center for a year and then slide him to left after Damon leaves?

      I would only look into this if the Cubs were willing to eat atleast $30 mill of Soriano’s contract.

      With the Yankees having the upper hand in negotiations they probably wouldn’t have to give up to much…Maybe Melky and Kennedy and another B prospect?

      Is that unreasonable for the Cubs?

    2. October 22nd, 2008 | 8:37 am

      Didn’t the Yankees get rid of Soriano for a reason?

    3. Corey
      October 22nd, 2008 | 9:19 am

      With the Yankees having the upper hand in negotiations they probably wouldn’t have to give up to much…Maybe Melky and Kennedy and another B prospect?

      Is that unreasonable for the Cubs?
      ================
      lol dude, you gotta give them SOMETHING…The Cubs wouldn’t throw in a ton of cash and soriano to get kennedy and melky

    4. MJ
      October 22nd, 2008 | 9:19 am

      Maybe Melky and Kennedy and another B prospect?
      ——————–
      Why on earth would the Cubs trade Soriano for a sorry-ass package like that? And, like Steve said, Soriano’s somebody else’s problem now. Why revisit the past with the real* goat of the 2003 World Series?

      *Jef Weaver is just window dressing. Watching Soriano (and Aaron Boone) strike out with RISP and less than 2 outs was a nightmare.

    5. October 22nd, 2008 | 10:01 am

      “Didn’t the Yankees get rid of Soriano for a reason?”

      to trade for the best player in the game?

      i dont think itd be awful to trade back for Soriano. you arent going to do it with Melky, though.

      i would think you might be able to swap out Damon or Matsui, plus parts, for Soriano.

      Yanks get a younger, more athletic player for LF, and a power RHB for the lineup.

      Cubs have been said to have a LH OF bat on their wishlist, and can use Damon at the top of their lineup, or Matsui in the middle to split up the RHBs.

      Cubs take a vet on 1 year deal and assorted parts in exchange for getting rid of the rest of Soriano’s deal?

      not an awful idea.

    6. gphunt
      October 22nd, 2008 | 10:33 am

      I;m not a GM so obviously my theory isn’t the best one, but I see nothing wrong with looking into it.

      And Steve the Yanks gave up Soriano for Arod. I think that’s a pretty good trade off.

    7. Corey
      October 22nd, 2008 | 11:35 am

      would think you might be able to swap out Damon or Matsui, plus parts, for Soriano.
      ===========================

      i thought the whole rumor for the cubs trading soriano started because someone said they wanted manny? Why would they trade for matsui or damon in that case?

    8. Corey
      October 22nd, 2008 | 11:37 am

      and for the record, even tho he K’d more times in big spots than A-rod (yes i know that seems unlikely, but A-rod offsets the diminished k’s with more GIDPs), I would def pull the trigger on any of the “packages” that were mentioned here…only problem is they weren’t too realistic

    9. MJ
      October 22nd, 2008 | 12:16 pm

      A-Rod has a sense of the strike zone, Soriano does not. He’s nearly a 10 year vet now and he STILL unleashes a wild swing at the ball low and away in the dirt. It’s infuriating to watch.

    10. October 22nd, 2008 | 12:45 pm

      “i thought the whole rumor for the cubs trading soriano started because someone said they wanted manny? Why would they trade for matsui or damon in that case?”

      i didnt hear it that way. i heard they wanted out from his contract and his salary.

      if that is the case, i hardly think that they would lock the money back into a commitment with Manny.

      although, all this $$ stuff could be forgotten if Mark Cuban is allowed to buy the team.

      this all points out the obvious; that none of us really know anything about whats actually going on behind closed doors with regards to personnel moves of a ballclub.

    11. Corey
      October 22nd, 2008 | 1:04 pm

      heres where I got that manny stuff from :

      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/cubs-considerin.html

    12. MJ
      October 22nd, 2008 | 1:41 pm

      although, all this $$ stuff could be forgotten if Mark Cuban is allowed to buy the team.
      ———–
      Doubtful that the Cubs sale would be finalized before spring training. I’m sure Bud Selig wants to give enough time to any of his cronies that are trying to step in ahead of Mark Cuban. The last thing Selig wants is an owner with balls enough to call out the powers that be when things look fishy.

    13. October 22nd, 2008 | 3:03 pm

      Just a silly thing to share.
      This “Water Cooler” post was the 6,001th post made to WasWatching since April 20, 2005.

      Man, that’s a lotta posts!

    14. October 22nd, 2008 | 3:04 pm

      Note, that’s posts, not comments…

    15. October 22nd, 2008 | 3:06 pm

      ~~Yanks gave up Soriano for Arod.~~

      But, they didn’t have to – because they were taking A-Rod’s salary, etc. Betcha the Yanks were more than glad to send his hot-dogging, sometimes lazy, always swinging at sliders a foot outside, rear-end out of town…

    16. October 22nd, 2008 | 3:19 pm

      “But, they didn’t have to”

      “Betcha the Yanks were more than glad to send his hot-dogging, sometimes lazy, always swinging at sliders a foot outside, rear-end out of town…”

      where is the basis for this?

      they certainly werent going to get the best player in the league as just a salary dump.

    17. October 22nd, 2008 | 4:53 pm

      Basis? Texas was DYING to unload A-Rod’s contract and salary – enough to eat some of it. And, there was only a few places that could have t aken that contract and also been a place where A-Rod would have accepted a trade…like the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox. If you wanted Alex, it was a buyers market, there was really no need to give anything up for him, and if you gave something up…it was something that you wanted to get rid of….

    18. MJ
      October 22nd, 2008 | 5:28 pm

      If you wanted Alex, it was a buyers market, there was really no need to give anything up for him, and if you gave something up…it was something that you wanted to get rid of….
      ————————
      I think you’re overstating it a bit. Yes, Texas wanted to move A-Rod so much so that they gave the Yanks a ton of cash on the deal. But they wouldn’t have done the deal for your classic “bag of balls” type of thing. The only other team that was involved (publicly, at least) was Boston, and they were giving up Nomar Garciaparra who, through 2003, was still a stud.

      And I don’t buy the whole “Boston wanted Nomar gone” thing you’ll try to sell me. They traded him halfway through 2004 when it was obvious that he had emotionally checked out BECAUSE of the A-Rod trade stuff.

    19. FourKings
      October 22nd, 2008 | 5:43 pm

      I read somewhere, for the life of me I can’t remember, that the Cubs are going to be primarily focused on recruiting players with a high OBP this offseason, and with Melky’s lifetime of .301 vs. the Cubs team as a whole in 2008, .354, I can’t see them too accepting of him.

      In other news: As I’m a fan from out west, I am unable to have the intimate relationship with Yankee Stadium like many of you here at WasWatching do. However, I was curious if anyone knows what is going to happen next year to both the Bleacher Creatures, as well as Freddy “Sez” Schuman?

    20. October 22nd, 2008 | 8:29 pm

      Gotta think the BC and Freddy will both be at the new digs.

    21. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      October 22nd, 2008 | 11:27 pm

      The Red Sox were also prepared to give up a young left handed pitching prospect named Jon Lester.

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