Nov 04
Mark Feinsand has a source who says that Brian Cashman is open to considering another year in Yankeeland for Carl Pavano.
Gosh, I hope he does it. I really, really, hope he does it.
It’s the best way to ensure that Yankees fans won’t have to deal with a three full years of “Cecil Turtle In Charge.”
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November 4th, 2008 at 9:11 am
If anyone had ANY doubt that Steve puts his hatred of the GM over the success of the Yankees, let that doubt be removed, now, completely.
I, for one, really hope Carl Pavano doesn’t join the Yankees and suck.
But hey, I just like to see my team succeed.
What a joke of a blog this has become.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am
How can one man’s opinion be a joke?
November 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am
AndrewYF – this one’s for you:
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November 4th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Its really much ado about nothing. Pavano will say the right things about liking the club, the management, his time there, but when push comes to shove, he’ll get a bigger offer from somewhere else and happily take it, because he knows in his heart he’s not cut out for a big market team and its best to move on.
And one other thing – wasn’t there a recent entry about some “source” saying something or other, and at least some people pointed out that this essentially had no backing, no one on the record? Well, this isn’t even “two industry sources” – this is only one. Its got about as much chance of being correct as me and Steve going halfsies on one of the cheap Luxury Boxes they haven’t sold yet.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:51 am
You do know that Mike Lupica is only famous for how ridiculously dumb his articles are, right? And I suspect, like Ann Coulter, he intentionally makes his articles ridiculous to drive sales.
If that’s what you’re going for, hey, more power to you. But, seeing how you’ve described this blog as just your personal thought space, somehow I don’t think that’s the case.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:02 am
But hey, I just like to see my team succeed.
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True, but after what we’ve seen of Pavano, to even considering bringing him back is ludicrous. Unless it’s for a base salary with a load of incentives, I’d steer clear. Hell, I may not even offer him that…
November 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Then stop commenting and go away, it’s annoying to the people here who actually want to discuss things regardless of whether or not we agree with Steve’s opinion. If you don’t agree with Steve and feel like you can’t debate with him then debate with others who comment instead or just go away.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am
If anyone had ANY doubt that Steve puts his hatred of the GM over the success of the Yankees, let that doubt be removed, now, completely.
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Depends on your point of view; it could be that the GM is hindering the success of the Yankees, and the sooner that he’s gone, the sooner the Yanks will be successful.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I can see why they might want to bring Pavano back but only if it was for nothing. They probably should get rid of him just because of the negative karma and so us Yankee fans can forget it ever happened!
November 4th, 2008 at 10:16 am
“Depends on your point of view; it could be that the GM is hindering the success of the Yankees, and the sooner that he’s gone, the sooner the Yanks will be successful.”
So you’re saying that you’ll gladly accept such a horrible losing season that the newly hired GM will be fired, just so the Yankees can hire anyone else to the GM spot, because it’s guaranteed to be better than what we have now?
Think about how that sounds.
In any case, no, I don’t want Pavano to get any more guaranteed money than the major league minimum. It logically can’t be a bad thing if he has a completely incentive-based contract. That’s about the only way I’d be not unhappy with Pavano back on the team.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am
A good GM doesn’t rule out anything, even if it risks offending a large swath of the team’s fan base.
That being said, I’ll believe it when I see it. I think the odds of Cashman keeping Pavano around for 2009 are at 0.0%.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Think about how that sounds.
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Sounds reasonable to me, considering Steve was probably against the hiring in the first place.
If a “horrible losing season” is what it takes for the Yanks to get back on track, then so be it. Sometimes you have to punt a year to get back into it; we saw it with the Red Sox in 2006.
While I don’t necessarily agree with this premise, other people do.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:44 am
A good GM doesn’t rule out anything, even if it risks offending a large swath of the team’s fan base.
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Be that as it may, Pavano has large enough a body of work that says “STAY AWAY!” He had it after the 2004 season, and he definitely has it now.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:46 am
That last sentence doesn’t look right… Anyway point is (keeping with today’s theme) Vote ‘NO’ to PavaNO
November 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Raf, I don’t disagree. My point was merely that even the obvious “NO!” moves require due diligence.
As I said, I don’t believe Cashman will bring Pavano back. I truly don’t think there’s even a remote possibility.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Just to clarify a bit…
I’m not hoping for the Yankees to bring Pavano back so that bad things happen for the Yankees in 2009.
Shoot, I hate it when the team doesn’t win consistently. I’m pissy when it happens. In fact, I lose sleep over it. So, why would I want that?
Actually, if Cashman does bring Pavano back, I expect the result will be the same as before – Pavano getting paid and not playing. And, I suspect that would not hurt the Yankees – unless Cashman is actually counting on the guy to make 30 starts and then passes on another pitcher.
But, if the Yankees sign Pavano and he doesn’t pitch, it’s just another black mark on the Cashman card that would CLEARLY be “all-Cashman” – like signing Pavano the first time or bringing in Igawa.
And, that is what I’m rooting for here – more black marks on Cashman’s record – so that those in charge will catch on and get rid of him.
But, if possible, I don’t want those black marks to lead towards the Yankees playing poorly – I just want them to show that Cashman is not a good G.M. – and makes moves that are a waste of money and other resources.
Make sense?
November 4th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
But, if the Yankees sign Pavano and he doesn’t pitch, it’s just another black mark on the Cashman card…
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If the Yankees sign Pavano and he does pitch, it’ll be a black mark on Cashman’s card.
As I’ve said before, more often than not, Pavano has been bad, I wouldn’t gamble on him being good in 2009.
And I’ll say the same if he wins 20 games, the Cy, and pitches the Yanks to a Series win.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Everyone is over analyzing this situation. If Cashman gives him the league minimum (or near it) and incentives, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THE MOVE. There is nothing wrong with ANY MOVE where the GM pays the players very little and only assures him a try-out or a minor league contract. How can this go bad? NAME ONE WAY? Nothing is expected from him, so anything is positive? Right? If he does terribly in the minors, WHO CARES? Nothing is lost. Nothing is wasted (except the LEAGUE MINIMUM contract.) There can be NO blackmark on Cashman’s contract if he signs him to the league minimum.
Steve, IF you believe that it’s a bad move to sign Pavano to a league-minimum, minor league contract, then you truly hate Cashman more than you like the Yankees. If you don’t feel this way, good.
“Actually, if Cashman does bring Pavano back, I expect the result will be the same as before – Pavano getting paid and not playing. ”
What if what he is getting paid is so little that it doesn’t matter? If the Yankees were given 100 Pavanos, and Cashman discarded all of them instead of giving them a minimum-contract, and then only one of them became a Cy Young Winner, or World Series MVP, I would blame Cashman for not re-signing that player. However, if Cashman gave an extremely small contract to every one of those Pavanos (like he did for Zambrano and Milton) and none of them succeeded, I wouldn’t have a problem. I would applaud the effort on his part to make sure that nothing slipped through his grips that only cost the league minimum.
Money is nothing to the Yankees. Especially contracts under 1 million dollars. What do the Yankees care? What do they have to lose? Whereas, they could actually gain a pitcher that could, maybe someday, do something good again.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:41 am
thenewguy – do you really think that Pavano is going to sign a contract for anything less than $5 million a year?
Me? I would be shocked if he did.
There’s no way he’s signing for something like $400,000. Zip.
He’d rather retire than do that – betcha.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Steve, I’d be shocked if he did as well. Given the market for pitching, I would be surprised if he got a base contract for league minimum.
Just like Ponson will wind up somewhere, so will Pavano.