• Xavier Nady 2009

    Posted by on November 12th, 2008 · Comments (14)

    Nady’s New York numbers – Say that three times, fast! – with an OPS of .794 were much closer to his career levels than the wonderful numbers that his posted in Pittsburgh last season (before being traded).

    Xavier should be a full-time member of the Yankees outfield in 2009 with results close to what he’s produced career-wise.

    In a way, Nady is a Hank Bauer-type player. And, there’s nothing wrong with that. You can win a ring with a Bauer-type in your outfield…assuming you have other great pieces of the puzzle around him.

    Comments on Xavier Nady 2009

    1. Tresh Fan
      November 12th, 2008 | 7:14 am

      In a way, Nady is a Hank Bauer-type player…
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      In what way? Bauer was a no nonsense, grit and guts, get-your-uniform-dirty ex-Marine who knew the game well, loved it, and played to beat you at all times. And, yes, you can definitely win a ring with that type of guy; but outside of perhaps his stats, where’s the match with Nady?

    2. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      November 12th, 2008 | 8:31 am

      The Yankees need a big bat, or a big boost from Matsui and A-Rod and something approximating a return to form by Jeter to survive Nady in RF instead of Abreu. The stats won’t be close and despite a few good weeks last year, it was a poor trade that will look even poorer if Marte departs.

    3. November 12th, 2008 | 8:37 am

      ~~In what way? ~~

      In terms of his potential relative offensive contributions to the team and the position he plays on the field.

    4. AndrewYF
      November 12th, 2008 | 9:10 am

      Once -

      Consider the defensive numbers, as well as Abreu’s continued decline. Nady does not need to do anything surprising to match what Abreu would have likely provided the Yankees in 2009. It could be said that Nady is just as likely to be better than Abreu than not. Also consider the contractual obligations required. The Yankees would have to give Abreu, at the very, very least, a 2 year, $30 million deal. They only have to commit to Nady around $6 to $8 million. Also, they net 2 high draft picks by letting Abreu depart.

      It was a good trade, because the only person of any real value they gave up was Tabata. And it’s still a very, very long shot that Tabata provides what Nady has already provided, and will provide, to the Yankees. And if you actually consider these sort of things, Tabata was on a fast track to nowhere with the Yankees and badly needed a change of scenery.

      Also, even if Marte departs, it nets the Yankees 2 extra draft picks.

      So let’s quantify the trade. The Yankees trade Karstens(utterly useless), McCutchen(talented, but the Yankees have plenty of better RHP), Ohlendorf(could be something, but has shown nothing so far…and again, the Yankees have plenty of better RHP), and Tabata for:

      Nady (a very capable corner outfielder who is under team control for 2009) and Marte (one of the best (meaning consistently good) lefthanded relievers). Even on the surface, that’s a damn good trade. But let’s consider the draft picks too:

      2 for Type A Abreu, who the Yankees can easily let go now that Nady can approximate his net production.

      2 for Type A Marte, who you assume is leaving.

      1 or 2 for eventual Type A or B Nady.

      So for the price of Tabata, the Yankees get, at the least, a half-season of production from Marte, and a season and a half production from Nady, and 5 or 6 extra first round draft picks. Wow.

      With what we’ve seen from Gordon departing (Kennedy and Joba), this could turn out to be one of the better trades the Yankees have made recently.

    5. Pat F
      November 12th, 2008 | 9:44 am

      andrewyf – i totally agree with you. the only way it would kind of sting is if tabata really turned out to be something. but like you said, that’s a long shot, and you have to consider that the change of scenery could have been impactful for him. and even still, we would have the huge draft pick haul, which in itself makes the trade highly productive.

    6. AndrewYF
      November 12th, 2008 | 9:54 am

      Pat F-

      Totally. Even without the draft picks, the Yankees got two major leaguers for Tabata, a 20 year old who, while talented, hasn’t done much of anything above A-ball, and, while he was with the Yankees, had the mentality of Manny without any of the production. That’s how you trade up.

      Frankly, I still think it was a horrendous trade for Pittsburgh, a sad team that’s continuing to drive itself into a lake. What’s even sadder is that they decided to downgrade from Coke and Kontos to Karstens and McCutchen. I feel very sorry for Pittsburgh fans.

    7. Raf
      November 12th, 2008 | 10:24 am

      What’s even sadder is that they decided to downgrade from Coke and Kontos to Karstens and McCutchen.
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      I would think it’s because they wanted ML ready arms? Pirates have been having a hard time with their rotation.

      But I agree with the overall point about the Pirates franchise.

    8. thenewguy
      November 12th, 2008 | 12:47 pm

      I agree with everything about the how the trade was good. I don’t think we gave up very much and got 2 everyday (as much as a reliever can be ‘everyday’) baseball players. Marte have proven to be a very solid reliever and Nady is definately a starter.

      That said, Nady’s offensive numbers really do not compare with Abreu. Abreu’s numbers are on the way down and we can hope Nady’s are on the way up. However, everyone seems to think that Nady is the player from the first half of the year with Pittsburgh. His overall numbers with the Yankees we OK but not great and certainly not as good as Abreu.

      The outfield CANNOT be Damon, Melky/Gardner, and Nady. That outfield offers unacceptably low production. You would see, at most, 45 HRs between them. A resurgent Matsui and Posada (not to mention Cano) would do a lot to alleviate the pressure off Nady (as would Tex). I just worry that the Yankees have him pegged as a #5, maybe #6 hitter. Honestly, on a championship Yankees team, he should be hitting 8th, 7th at best.

    9. AndrewYF
      November 12th, 2008 | 1:12 pm

      You can’t look at each position and say “you CAN’T have that guy there”. You have to look at the team as a whole. In this case, you’re replacing Abreu with Nady. I’m not convinced that’s a downgrade. Abreu was the worst defensive outfielder in the game in 2008, and his offensive numbers, while still quite good, have been on a steady and predictable decline.

      The Yankees *can* have an outfield of Damon, Gardner and Nady. They just need to upgrade other parts of the team to make up for their outfield offensive deficiencies. Thankfully, there’s an elite first baseman and an elite pitcher on the market that can do just that.

    10. thenewguy
      November 12th, 2008 | 1:23 pm

      You have to look at the team as a whole. In this case, you’re replacing Abreu with Nady. I’m not convinced that’s a downgrade.
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      I don’t see how you can think it’s not a downgrade. Defensively, outfielders do not seriously affect a game very much. Abreu still has acceptable speed and a decent arm, even if he is magnetically repelled by the wall.

      Offensively (which is what really matters), it’s not even close. This year was Nady’s best year, and he had 76 runs and 39 walks (with decent HRs and RBIs) and an OPS+ of 128. And this is his best year ever! Abreu’s career OPS+ is 133 (‘only’ 120 last year.) He hasn’t had fewer than 100 rbis since ’02 and has basically had 100 runs every year for a long time.

      I think you could argue that for the next 3 years Nady is preferable. However, I don’t think he will get on base, score runs, or drive in runs next year at the same rate as Abreu. Really, I don’t like Abreu and wish we could get rid of him. I just don’t think Nady is the proper replacement. (Maybe i could just think of Tex as replacing Abreu and Nady replacing Giambi and comfort myself that way.)

    11. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      November 12th, 2008 | 1:25 pm

      I’ll concede that there’s something to be said for the draft pick compensation and what was actually given up, but even looking at a declining Abreu, he’s a better option than Nady (or put better, Nady as his replacement is a big downgrade). Consider OBP – Nady is mediocre in that department, Abreu in decline remained pretty darn good. Nady was a pretty mediocre corner OF before having half a season of All-Star numbers. I don’t think there’s any reason to think that wasn’t a fluke. The only thing that lessens the impact of a lesser offensive player in RF is the presumed defensive improvement, which I don’t think is huge but you can’t dismiss the difference between a man terrified of the wall and a man who isn’t.

    12. antone
      November 12th, 2008 | 3:31 pm

      You guys are missing one thing and that is Nady was in the lineup for 59 games last season, so I don’t think the Yankees are really replacing Abreu with Nady. To me they are replacing Abreu with whoever ends up in CF. That’s where most of the at-bats that Abreu had last year are going to go. I guess part of the production would be made up by Matsui, but I’m not sure we can count on him for 500+ at bats anymore and if they don’t get Teixeira at 1B then they’ll have to worry about making up for Giambi’s offense too. They still don’t have a 3 hitter if they let Abreu go and don’t sign Teixeira either.

    13. AndrewYF
      November 12th, 2008 | 4:34 pm

      antone, the Yankees survivied horrendous downturns from Cano and Posada(injured). If even one of them returns to form, that will do wonders for making up for Giambi.

      Yes, getting Teixeira would be nice. But let’s not act like chickens with their heads cut off if the Yankees field an outfield of Damon/Gardner/Nady and don’t pick up Teixeira. Trust me, it’s worlds better than letting Abreu do anything but DH (that includes running, god was he awful on the basepaths this year) for the next 3 years.

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