• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 11/21/08

    Posted by on November 21st, 2008 · Comments (23)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

    Or, comment on something that someone else has posted here in the comments…

    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

    Comments on WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 11/21/08

    1. November 21st, 2008 | 10:35 am

      this is kind of fun… so does this mean Swisher could be spun to another team? or that Swisher would be moved to the OF, and Damon, Nady, or Matsui would get the heave-ho?

      from mlbtraderumors:

      Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald says the Red Sox burn, lust for, and love Teixeira. Silverman says Tex should end up with a salary of at least $20MM and a term of at least six years. Also, Silverman talked to one source who suggested the Yankees’ acquisition of Nick Swisher “could be a prelude to another deal with a National League club.”

      Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News says the Yankees still plan to add an impact hitter. He agrees that “several National League teams have had their eye on Swisher.” MLB.com’s Mark Bowman says the Braves are among them.

    2. Raf
      November 21st, 2008 | 10:47 am

      Don’t know how many of you venture over to Bronx Banter, but they have a nice writeup on the arms in the Yankees system;
      http://tinyurl.com/5ndpkl

    3. antone
      November 21st, 2008 | 12:09 pm

      Swisher for Ryan Ludwick maybe? I’m just guessing with that one…seriously though what NL bat might the Yankees be looking at?

      I also heard they are still interested in Orlando Hudson, which would probably mean Cano gets traded. Kind of surprised they are still in on Hudson. I think they should stick with Cano and focus on OF/1B/P.

    4. Corey
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:03 pm

      seriously though what NL bat might the Yankees be looking at?
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      maybe if they didn’t piss off the brewers, i could invision some mega deal involving the prince and cameron and a whole lotta surplus prospect pitching

    5. Corey
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:04 pm

      I also heard they are still interested in Orlando Hudson, which would probably mean Cano gets traded. Kind of surprised they are still in on Hudson. I think they should stick with Cano and focus on OF/1B/P.
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      just cause the writers (blog and paper) say that the Yanks are in on Hudson doesn’t necessarily mean they are really in on Hudson…agents start rumors involving the yanks all the time in order to drive up the cost of their clients

    6. antone
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:10 pm

      just cause the writers (blog and paper) say that the Yanks are in on Hudson doesn’t necessarily mean they are really in on Hudson…agents start rumors involving the yanks all the time in order to drive up the cost of their clients
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      This is true but doesn’t leave us much to talk about haha

    7. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:35 pm

      Why would the Yankees swap Swisher? Ever since the Yankees payroll ballooned Cashman has wanted players like Swisher.

      1) Young
      2) Cheap and cost-controlled
      3) Talented and versatile

      He also plays great defense at 1b, is a switch hitter and sees the most pitches per plate appearance in the majors. The guy hit 40+ home runs in 2006 and is a great clubhouse guy. Why in the world would be acquire somebody like that then flip them away?

    8. thenewguy
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:38 pm

      He also plays great defense at 1b, is a switch hitter and sees the most pitches per plate appearance in the majors. The guy hit 40+ home runs in 2006 and is a great clubhouse guy. Why in the world would be acquire somebody like that then flip them away?
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      Because Teixera does all of that too (and much much better) except for leading the league in pitches/PA. Of course, his price is somewhat higher too….

    9. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 1:49 pm

      thenewguy:

      You’re absolutely right, and there is really is no comeback to “Texiera is a better player than Swisher” because he is. The alternative is that (like you said) he’ll likely cost $13-$15 million less per season, it gives the Yanks a chance to plug Jorge at 1b every once in a while to rest his shoulder and legs while Swisher goes to the outfield and in 3 years when (hopefully) Jesus Montero is ready for the majors he can take his uncatcher-like frame and move to 1b without creating a logjam. On top of that, money not spend on Tex is money spent going after pitching…which is what we really need. Yes Tex is a better player, but I feel Swisher was the “smarter” move.

    10. November 21st, 2008 | 1:53 pm

      “Why would the Yankees swap Swisher?”

      i guess it depends on what they are swapping him for.

      cant just say they’d never do it outright unless you know who would be interested in him, and what they’d be willing to give up to get him, or him in a package of players.

      to me, id guess Nady would be made available before Swisher at this point, when considering contract status, overall expected performance, etc.

    11. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 2:02 pm

      Also, just throwing this out for the people who are upset with Swisher at 1b and a possibility of not having Tex.

      Swisher Career 1B Fielding %: .996
      Errors: 9

      Tex Career 1B Fielding %: .995
      Errors: 31

      Those numbers, obviously, are not far off from each other. Tex has played for 6 seasons and Swish 5. My only point is…Tex is a better baseball player but defensively, there is not that huge of a difference. Having somebody who can play 1b like that over Giambi should make Yankee fans extremely happy.

    12. Raf
      November 21st, 2008 | 2:16 pm

      Those numbers, obviously, are not far off from each other.
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      These numbers, however, are;

      Career games @ 1b
      NS: 229
      MT: 853

    13. antone
      November 21st, 2008 | 2:23 pm

      Having somebody who can play 1b like that over Giambi should make Yankee fans extremely happy.
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      Agree that almost anyone would be an improvement over Giambi. I think Teixeira has more range than Swisher does at 1B which is probably why he’s seen as the better fielder there.

      I don’t see how the Yankees could expect to get much for Swisher when they pretty much gave up nothing to get him. Why would any team give up something good for him now? It would have to be Swisher plus something else to get anything in return.

    14. EHawk
      November 21st, 2008 | 2:43 pm

      I want to make a point to you who think Swisher is the answer at 1b…He’s only played about 200 games there and Tex has played over 900 so you can’t say Swisher would keep up a pace of .996 if he had more chances. He’s a decent first baseman but Tex is top notch. Also another point I want to make is you ask why would the Yanks want to flip him so fast well the White Sox obviously didn’t think so high of him since they traded him after 1 season. If he was so valuable you’d think they’d hold onto him since he is only making 5 mil a year.

      I think Yanks need Tex more then they need CC because they can always go out and try to trade for Peavy or get Burnett and Lowe and still have a solid rotation. CC has flopped in the playoffs and I fear he’d do the same here. If they can get CC fine but still go get Tex…they have the free money to do it.

    15. November 21st, 2008 | 2:45 pm

      “I don’t see how the Yankees could expect to get much for Swisher when they pretty much gave up nothing to get him. Why would any team give up something good for him now? It would have to be Swisher plus something else to get anything in return.”

      well, it depends on the market for Swisher.

      apparently, it was bigger than any of us realized, if there are still several NL teams interested in his services… and the more teams in the mix, the better a package or better the player you can negotiate back in return.

      simple laws of supply and demand.

    16. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 2:53 pm

      EHawk:

      Don’t you think if acquiring a top notch pitcher like Peavy or CC was so easy the Yanks would have done that by now? Instead of being short on pitching every year since 2003? Tex would be a great player and very important, but just simply throwing out a trade for Peavy or throwing all the money in the world at CC is not so easy in itself.

    17. antone
      November 21st, 2008 | 3:02 pm

      well, it depends on the market for Swisher.

      apparently, it was bigger than any of us realized, if there are still several NL teams interested in his services… and the more teams in the mix, the better a package or better the player you can negotiate back in return.
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      Yeah but doesn’t think imply that Kenny Williams is an idiot and didn’t get full value in return for Swisher?

      I’m sure there are plenty of teams interested in Swisher, but I’m sure if they were going to give up something good for him that Kenny Williams would have made the trade. I don’t think he would just trade Swisher to the Yanks without thinking it was the best deal he could get.

    18. November 21st, 2008 | 3:09 pm

      “Yeah but doesn’t think imply that Kenny Williams is an idiot and didn’t get full value in return for Swisher?”

      sure, if it turns out to be true.

    19. Corey
      November 21st, 2008 | 3:55 pm

      The guy hit 40+ home runs in 2006 and is a great clubhouse guy.
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      he hit 35 in 2006…and when you’re winning, everyone is a great clubhouse guy.

      On top of that, money not spend on Tex is money spent going after pitching…which is what we really need
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      This past season definitely contradicts what you say here…besides, Ponson will be available in june :)

      also, on the market on swisher, cashman has said that he was working on that deal since the summer. There’s a lotta politics in baseball as well, ya never know The white sox gm williams might not like team X because of past trade negotiations and won’t do business with them at all. I’ve seen far dumber reasons for people not dealing with each other in my life,and I highly doubt baseball GM’s are above the social pitfalls that we encounter on a day-to-day

    20. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 3:57 pm

      Corey:

      I definitely realized i screwed up the home run total after I posted it. I juyt hoped nobody would notice but you got me!

    21. Corey
      November 21st, 2008 | 4:10 pm

      I definitely realized i screwed up the home run total after I posted it. I juyt hoped nobody would notice but you got me!
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      LMAO i was sittin there reading that like…hmmm 40? I DEFINITLY don’t recall him doin that…I do agree with you as far as personality he seems like a cool dude, but then again I’m sure Bubba Crosby was a nice clubhouse guy as well

    22. YankCrank
      November 21st, 2008 | 4:32 pm

      I think Damon, Shelley and Swisher will become quite the group to rival Melky, Cano and Molina’s partying. Then add A-Rod’s late night visits to Madonna to Jeter quietly sleeping with every hot girl in the city…and we have quite the team next year.

    23. Corey
      November 21st, 2008 | 4:42 pm

      you think Shelley is going to be anywhere near Damon and Swisher? Maybe Shelley, Michael Scott, and Dwight might rival Melky Cano and Molina, but definitly not Shelley with Damon and Swish :)

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