~~I assume you mean Aceves? ~~

Mea Culpa. Thanks. I fixed that.

Because that’s the way it is. Baseball players disrespect the Yankees the way every NFL player respects the cheating Patriots organization.

On a different note, I am so tired of Cashman’s stinginess. I can understand long-term deal stinginess, but no arbitration because of money is once again Cashman pinching Steinbrenner’s money. Rather than wanting to win, he’d rather save.

This is the one offseason we should have an advantage. With the economy down and our new ballpark in the time of revenue sharing and teams keeping their free agents because of our money given to them, we should get who we can, but this is life in Cashmania!!

I have a feeling, CC knows hes not going to, sign with us, and is trying to make us… look like fools, as well as cost us an opportunity at replacements. It’s just like someone, to stiff us – even in the wake of a $140 mil offer.
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CC has no reason to want to make the Yankees look like fools. He may or may not want to sign here but he’s certainly not going to be malicious about it. Why would he? What’s in it for him to do that? Not signing the contract and waiting around doesn’t represent malice, it represents letting the market develop more fully.

//CC knows hes not going to, sign with us, and is trying to make us… look like fools, as well as cost us an opportunity at replacements.//

What, out of spite? Did Brian Cashman kick CC’s dog or something?

How so? What do you expect him to say? And who’s to say they don’t have alternatives if Sabathia
doesn’t sign?

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Raf, it’s better not to say anything at all than to give any inclination of the state of our offer.

I have a feeling, CC knows hes not going to, sign with us, and is trying to make us… look like fools, as well as cost us an opportunity at replacements. It’s just like someone, to stiff us – even in the wake of a $140 mil offer.

it’s only december 1st, the winter meetings haven’t passed, and not one meaningful free agent has signed anywhere. we shouldn’t start talking about wang, chamberlain, and ?????? until at least one free agent signs somewhere, thus rendering it impossible for us to sign them. i agree the yankees shouldn’t be putting all of their eggs in the sabathia basket, but i would have said that the day after they made the offer, not just because time has gone by and he hasn’t accepted (all of what, 2 weeks?). one would hope the yankees are covering their basis regardless of the time that goes by on the sabathia offer, at least as long as it’s reasonable time (like right now).

At this point, I’d be happy with a rotation of Wang, Gil Meche, Pettitte, Jon Garland and Chamberlain – with Hughes and Acevedo in the wings.
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Not sure I’d really go out and trade for a Gil Meche when I could just sign a Jon Garland. Are they that different? I’m not advocating signing Jon Garland and Meche’s contract would be better than what Garland’s might turn out to be. But I’m just not a believer in trading away assets when you can just use free agency.

Also, by Acevedo, I assume you mean Aceves? Or is there someone I’m forgetting?

They’ll be the next in a long line of overpaid/underperforming FA pitchers. (See: Pavano, K Brown, R Johnson, Zito, Hampton, etc)
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Randy Johnson wasn’t exactly a free agent either. The Yanks had to renegotiate his contract in order for him to come to NY but he was most certainly traded for and not simply signed.

They’ll be the next in a long line of overpaid/underperforming FA pitchers. (See: Pavano, K Brown, R Johnson, Zito, Hampton, etc)
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IIRC Brown was under contract when the Yanks got him…and he had pitched well in the previous years (2002 aside)