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	<title>Comments on: Cashman On Not Offering Arbitration To Pettitte &amp; Abreu</title>
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		<title>By: Abreu Signs With Angels : WasWatching.com</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-106713</link>
		<dc:creator>Abreu Signs With Angels : WasWatching.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previously, I got on the Yankees and Brian Cashman for not offering salary arbitration to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65990</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, you could trade one of them (or Nady).  You can also rotate the players around, mixing and matching them.

Nothing wrong with creative roster usage :)</description>
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<p>Nothing wrong with creative roster usage <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65900</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LF - RF - 1B - DH. It’s a matter of time before Matsui or Damon gets hurt
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Agree.  But in that case, doesn&#039;t it make sense to trade one of them to make room for Dunn?  Otherwise, you&#039;re talking about a starting OF of Dunn-Damon-Nady (awful defensively).</description>
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Agree.  But in that case, doesn&#8217;t it make sense to trade one of them to make room for Dunn?  Otherwise, you&#8217;re talking about a starting OF of Dunn-Damon-Nady (awful defensively).</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65783</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would you put Dunn?
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LF - RF - 1B - DH.  It&#039;s a matter of time before Matsui or Damon gets hurt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_65783','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_65783"><p>Where would you put Dunn?<br />
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LF &#8211; RF &#8211; 1B &#8211; DH.  It&#8217;s a matter of time before Matsui or Damon gets hurt</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65767</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abreu-Texiera-Dunn…
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Where would you put Dunn?</description>
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Where would you put Dunn?</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65709</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This potential lineup screams “ABREU-TEXEIRA!” as far as I’m concerned.
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Abreu-Texiera-Dunn...</description>
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Abreu-Texiera-Dunn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65672</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as offseason moves go, we seem to be of the same opinion, especially on the Outfield or lack of Outfield they have right now.
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Agree completely.  I can&#039;t imagine how a team that scored nearly 200 fewer runs last season can think that a Damon/[Melky-Gardner]/Nady OF is sufficient when you also factor in the question marks surrounding Posada and Matsui&#039;s health, Giambi&#039;s departure, Cano&#039;s regression, and Jeter&#039;s rapid aging.

This potential lineup screams &quot;ABREU-TEXEIRA!&quot; as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_65672','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_65672"><p>As far as offseason moves go, we seem to be of the same opinion, especially on the Outfield or lack of Outfield they have right now.<br />
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Agree completely.  I can&#8217;t imagine how a team that scored nearly 200 fewer runs last season can think that a Damon/[Melky-Gardner]/Nady OF is sufficient when you also factor in the question marks surrounding Posada and Matsui&#8217;s health, Giambi&#8217;s departure, Cano&#8217;s regression, and Jeter&#8217;s rapid aging.</p>
<p>This potential lineup screams &#8220;ABREU-TEXEIRA!&#8221; as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: antone</title>
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		<dc:creator>antone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as offseason moves go, we seem to be of the same opinion, especially on the Outfield or lack of Outfield they have right now.</description>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65669</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can officially be scared now, haha.
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Hey, at least we agree once in a while, right Antone?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_65669','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_65669"><p>You can officially be scared now, haha.<br />
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Hey, at least we agree once in a while, right Antone?  <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-on-not-offering-arbitration-to-pettitte-abreu/comment-page-1/#comment-65668</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His track record at every level has shown he takes time to adjust and eventually excels, so why not try it at the major league level?
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On a limited basis, I&#039;m all for trying and seeing if your theory works with Gardner.  But even as you were citing Gardner&#039;s MiLB stats you were making my case for me.  He never posted a SLG higher than .422 in his 1456 MiLB AB&#039;s.  That does not bode well if we&#039;re talking about a guy getting 600 MLB AB&#039;s.

Melky Cabrera: 1489 MiLB AB&#039;s .296/.347/.420
Brett Gardner: 1456 MiLB AB&#039;s .291/.389/.385

Those two players&#039; MiLB numbers look awfully similar to me.  They&#039;re both adequate 4th/5th OF&#039;ers at the MLB level.

Essentially if Gardner ends up batting .275 with 30 steals, what exactly does that mean to the Yankees?  I&#039;m not the world&#039;s biggest sabermetrics guy but I&#039;m not sure that .275 with 30 steals translates into a whole lot of value, even with better than average defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_65668','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_65668"><p>His track record at every level has shown he takes time to adjust and eventually excels, so why not try it at the major league level?<br />
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On a limited basis, I&#8217;m all for trying and seeing if your theory works with Gardner.  But even as you were citing Gardner&#8217;s MiLB stats you were making my case for me.  He never posted a SLG higher than .422 in his 1456 MiLB AB&#8217;s.  That does not bode well if we&#8217;re talking about a guy getting 600 MLB AB&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Melky Cabrera: 1489 MiLB AB&#8217;s .296/.347/.420<br />
Brett Gardner: 1456 MiLB AB&#8217;s .291/.389/.385</p>
<p>Those two players&#8217; MiLB numbers look awfully similar to me.  They&#8217;re both adequate 4th/5th OF&#8217;ers at the MLB level.</p>
<p>Essentially if Gardner ends up batting .275 with 30 steals, what exactly does that mean to the Yankees?  I&#8217;m not the world&#8217;s biggest sabermetrics guy but I&#8217;m not sure that .275 with 30 steals translates into a whole lot of value, even with better than average defense.</p>
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