C’mon guys….
I think the vast majority of fans want Andy back.
I think the vast majority of fans think $16m is high.
I think the vast majority of fans think $10m is low.
I think the vast majority of fans think $13m is fair.
So Cashman is playing hardball? That’s cool. Lots of people admire Theo for doing the same thing.
Would it be so terrible if the Yankees did NOT continue to always overplay players? And sent this message?

If they can pitch, they can pitch in NYC. If they stunk before NYC, don’t be surprised if they stink while pitching in NYC.
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Couldn’t agree more.
Butchie, why would you think that those pitchers can’t cut it in NY?

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I would just add that a few pitchers who seem to have “sucked in NYC” really just suck in general. K. Brown was washed up, same with Jaret Wright and (pretty much) the same with RJ, although RJ was injured too.

The two most common references, Javy Vazquez and Jeff Weaver, actually just suck in general. I mean, if Jeff Weaver can win a WS game, I don’t think he is *scared* of NY. He just sucks Who else am I missing?

I don’t think playing for the Yankees is as scary as everyone says, and I wouldn’t worry

If they can pitch, they can pitch in NYC. If they stunk before NYC, don’t be surprised if they stink while pitching in NYC.
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Couldn’t agree more.

Butchie, why would you think that those pitchers can’t cut it in NY?

Not to mention it would be kind of hard to field a full pitching staff if the Yankees didn’t sign players who never played in New York before…jesus.

How many people think that Sheets, Peavy, Burnett or even CC can cut it here in NYC?
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If they can pitch, they can pitch in NYC. If they stunk before NYC, don’t be surprised if they stink while pitching in NYC.

MJ some interesting points and the Yankees really have no choice right now. Hearing Kay spin this Pettite situation is so sad. Pettitte is the devil you do know. Any Yankee fan that wants Burnett over Pettitte might be on crack! AP didn’t have a great year last year(certainly not like Moose),but the Yanks need people that can do it in NYC. How many people think that Sheets, Peavy, Burnett or even CC can cut it here in NYC? Pettitte is not the greatest, but I fear that some of these pitchers might become Pavano part Deux…..

And what if the yanks do want to end up paying pettite 13 mil but Pettite doesn’t sign here an gets 16 million in LA, doesnt this seem silly over 3 million (in yankeeland money)
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If Pettitte gets $16M to pitch for the Dodgers then he’s got to go. If the Yanks wanted to pay him $16M they’d have offered him arbitration and the fact that they didn’t tells us that, yes, the $3M difference between $13M and $16M was a big deal.

If AJ Burnett is considered this market’s #2 starting pitcher and he’s going to get an AAV of $16M, I don’t see why the Dodgers would pay up to that level, even for one season. Obviously it’s too soon to tell how the market will shape up but I don’t think Pettitte will get $16M and I think $13M is the more appropriate range for his services.

If the Yanks don’t get Sabathia..then you can bet Teixeira or Manny will be a Yankee next year.

Maybe then their need isn’t as bad as it appears? They’ve managed to find starters before, how would it be any different now?
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i guess, but what are the odds a Chacon-esque player comes around? (esp when Chacon wasn’t Chacon-esque for more than a few months) Throwing Ponsons’ and Chacons at a prob doesnt solve it

And what if the yanks do want to end up paying pettite 13 mil but Pettite doesn’t sign here an gets 16 million in LA, doesnt this seem silly over 3 million (in yankeeland money)