• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 12/4/08

    Posted by on December 4th, 2008 · Comments (12)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

    Or, comment on something that someone else has posted here in the comments…

    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

    Comments on WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 12/4/08

    1. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 10:33 am

      Derek Lowe supposedly was offered a contract by the Phillies today and another team which is not the Yankees or Red Sox, but Cashman is flying out to meet with Boras today supposedly to talk about Lowe.

      This could be the best case against signing Derek Lowe:

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/902

      Lowe is one of only 9 pitchers in history to pitch 175 innings or more and have an ERA+ of 110 or higher through ages 32-35:

      Derek Lowe
      Greg Maddux
      Kevin Brown
      Gaylord Perry
      Phil Niekro
      Bob Gibson
      Jim Bunning
      Whitey Ford
      Warren Spahn

      The only pitchers on this list to ever throw 175 innings or more and have an ERA+ of 110 after age 35 more than once were: Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro, & Warren Spahn

      Gaylord Perry was known to doctor baseballs, Phil Niekro threw a knuckleball, and Warren Spahn was one of the greatest pitchers of all-time. Now last time I checked, Derek Lowe is no Warren Spahn and does not doctor baseballs or throw a knuckleball.

      I would think twice before offering him a contract for 4 years or more at $12-$13 million per year, because you might only get 1 or 2 more solid seasons out of him. History is definitely not on his side and even less so if he ends up in the better hitting American League.

    2. MJ
      December 4th, 2008 | 10:45 am

      Antone, yesterday you and I were talking about the White Sox and you said maybe they’d trade Konerko and clear space for a big free agent. Jim Callis of Baseball America agrees with you that trading Swisher and Vazquez makes it seem like the White Sox are getting ready to make an offer to a free agent (although I don’t think Konerko can be moved with his recent performance and $24M due through 2010). It’ll be interesting to see which free agent, if any, the White Sox are maneuvering for or if these recent trades are just vintage Kenny Williams.

    3. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 11:23 am

      Thanks for the info MJ. I’ve been trying to figure it out myself who they are trying to go after. If they can’t move Konerko or Thome then it can’t be Teixeira. I wouldn’t think they would jump in on Sabathia. Maybe Furcal or someone like that? All the big name position players on the market are 1B and corner OF. I can’t see them going after Manny, but maybe they would. That wouldn’t jive with the getting younger theory though.

    4. MJ
      December 4th, 2008 | 11:37 am

      I think Furcal is a possibility because they didn’t pick up Orlando Cabrera’s option and Juan Uribe/Wilson Betemit don’t really cut it as everyday players. The White Sox haven’t had much of a leadoff presense and Furcal could be the guy they’re going for. Good call on that Antone.

    5. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 11:56 am

      Four teams are in on Furcal: the Giants, A’s, Braves, and a mystery team. Stark talked to execs who guessed the Red Sox or Orioles could be the fourth team. That team apparently has to make a trade to open up their shortstop position.
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      Maybe the White Sox are the mystery team, but they have SS open (at least in my mind), so no trade would be needed to sign Furcal.

    6. MJ
      December 4th, 2008 | 12:03 pm

      Antone, what’s your source on that quote?

      I can’t imagine why the Red Sox would get in on Furcal after spending tens of millions on Renteria (failure) and Lugo (failure) and having Jed Lowrie ready to go for very little money.

    7. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 12:47 pm

      That’s from MLB Trade Rumors via Jason Stark….I agree with you on the Sox not going after Furcal because of Renteria and Lugo. Plus Lowrie is decent and they could always sign another Alex Cora type for backup.

    8. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 1:44 pm

      Yikes! via Ken Rosenthal:

      - Oliver Perez and Randy Wolf are on the Yankees’ radar.

      - Rosenthal believes the Dodgers will renew talks for Robinson Cano at the Winter Meetings, and the Yankees will again ask for Matt Kemp.

    9. MJ
      December 4th, 2008 | 2:17 pm

      - Oliver Perez and Randy Wolf are on the Yankees’ radar.

      - Rosenthal believes the Dodgers will renew talks for Robinson Cano at the Winter Meetings, and the Yankees will again ask for Matt Kemp.
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      -Yuck. I want nothing to do with either pitcher.

      -As long as the idea isn’t to replace Cano with Orlando Hudson for more than two years (with an option for a third year) AND we get Matt Kemp, then I’m ok with that. Toss Kemp in the OF mix and now we’re talking. He’s not a particularly good defensive OF but he’s young, athletic, a good hitter, and definitely a nice young building block.

    10. December 4th, 2008 | 2:25 pm

      Rosenthal wrote that the Yanks “conceivably could turn” to Perez and Wolf. That’s not the same as saying they’re on their radar…

    11. antone
      December 4th, 2008 | 2:32 pm

      Rosenthal wrote that the Yanks “conceivably could turn” to Perez and Wolf. That’s not the same as saying they’re on their radar…
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      Let’s hope they don’t.

    12. Raf
      December 4th, 2008 | 4:52 pm

      In case you were wondering what Sam Militello has been up to;
      http://tampaspartans.athleticsite.com/profile.asp?playerID=261

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