It’s pretty obvious our pitching hasn’t been where we’ve wanted it to be over the past few year, but how many truly great pitchers have been available since then. Not many, not as a free agents. Would you have given up hanley for beckett. I don’t think i would have. and i don’t believe dice-k as 100+ guy…too many walks, the league will catch up to him. Our youth will get us there. we just need to be patient. we shouldn’t be signing a ton of long pitch contracts, just one. Our young guys need to grow up. I think It will change in the next few years.

The query results gave him 4.
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Yes, that is correct, I read his stats wrong

~~One other thing, wouldn’t it be 5 seasons for Wakefield?~~

The query results gave him 4.

sanair – since 2004:

C.C. Sabathia 5 times
Jon Garland 3 times
Gil Meche 2 times

Note: Meche has done it as much as any Yankee and Garland has done it more than any Yankee…since 2004.

And it still doesn’t change the fact that the bullpen blew leads in games 4 & 5 in the 04 ALCS.
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Also doesn’t change the fact that the offense was the reason the Yanks missed the playoffs.

How many times has C.C. performed to these numbers in his career?

How many times has Garland and Meche performed to these numbers (I chose those two pitchers because you’d said you’d be happy with them in this thread: http://waswatching.com/2008/12/01/cashman-balls-in-ccs-court/ )

They always lacked for pitching, since well before 2004. Its what Theo attempted to fix, and he has clearly done a better job of it than Cashman has.
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And that I will not argue. If you want to say that’s the reason the Sox have won, then I have to dispute that, given 05, 06 & 08.

And it still doesn’t change the fact that the bullpen blew leads in games 4 & 5 in the 04 ALCS.

They always lacked for pitching, since well before 2004. Its what Theo attempted to fix, and he has clearly done a better job of it than Cashman has.

As to Wake, hey, I don’t relish seeing him in the post-season but as a guy who pretty reliably eats innings at a better than league average ERA, there has to be some value there.

Four seasons, hardly missing a turn, and being at least league average.
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One other thing, wouldn’t it be 5 seasons for Wakefield?

IIRC, Cashman didn’t have total control of the team at that time, did he?
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Doesn’t answer the question.

If the Sox have had better pitching than the Yanks before 2004, it doesn’t explain why they haven’t won before 2004.