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		<title>By: Jake1</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2008/12/11/yanks-draw-line-in-the-sand-for-pettitte/comment-page-1/#comment-69761</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why dont they split the dif?

13 mill and everyones happy

hes worth way more than 8 mill.  thats a joke.  they paid pavano 10 last yr!  they pay igawa 5!!!</description>
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<p>13 mill and everyones happy</p>
<p>hes worth way more than 8 mill.  thats a joke.  they paid pavano 10 last yr!  they pay igawa 5!!!</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still believe that if Pettitte is the best option for the last spot in the rotation, money shouldnt be an option.

but if the yankees feel like there are other options on the market who can perform at a higher level than Pettitte can, then they should pursue those options first and/or make a reasonable offer for Pettitte.

apparently there was a newspaper article this morning, i think in the Post, where an executive was surprised Pettitte turned down the $10 million, because in this market, they dont think he&#039;s worth more than $8 million.... so the $10 million already includes the &quot;we love you andy&quot; tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('TurnTwo');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_69678','TurnTwo');" /></div><span id="co_69678"><p>i still believe that if Pettitte is the best option for the last spot in the rotation, money shouldnt be an option.</p>
<p>but if the yankees feel like there are other options on the market who can perform at a higher level than Pettitte can, then they should pursue those options first and/or make a reasonable offer for Pettitte.</p>
<p>apparently there was a newspaper article this morning, i think in the Post, where an executive was surprised Pettitte turned down the $10 million, because in this market, they dont think he&#8217;s worth more than $8 million&#8230;. so the $10 million already includes the &#8220;we love you andy&#8221; tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question would be, what incentive to the Yankees have for raising their offer?
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if i were the yankees, my incentive would be that i would get pettite for 1 year or lowe/burnett for 4/5+ years for the same money. All i hear about on this blog is the need for roster flexibility...this is a good chance to gain such that. Also, theres an old saying goes somethin like &quot;better to choose the devil you know rather then the devil you don&#039;t&quot;</description>
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if i were the yankees, my incentive would be that i would get pettite for 1 year or lowe/burnett for 4/5+ years for the same money. All i hear about on this blog is the need for roster flexibility&#8230;this is a good chance to gain such that. Also, theres an old saying goes somethin like &#8220;better to choose the devil you know rather then the devil you don&#8217;t&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sean mcnally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean mcnally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question would be, what incentive to the Yankees have for raising their offer?

Andy has more or less said, he&#039;ll retire if he doesn&#039;t sign with New York, so why should they bid against themselves for a 37-year-old with a history of elbow issues? 

Yes, they were bidding against themselves to a degree with the Sabathia deal, but that&#039;s an entirely different circumstance.

We should all be so insulted by a $10 million offer.</description>
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<p>Andy has more or less said, he&#8217;ll retire if he doesn&#8217;t sign with New York, so why should they bid against themselves for a 37-year-old with a history of elbow issues? </p>
<p>Yes, they were bidding against themselves to a degree with the Sabathia deal, but that&#8217;s an entirely different circumstance.</p>
<p>We should all be so insulted by a $10 million offer.</p>
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		<title>By: mo42</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the years of (relative) mutual loyalty make it a sticky situation.
in the end, pettitte&#039;s postseason resume should be good enough for another $2-$3 million.</description>
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in the end, pettitte&#8217;s postseason resume should be good enough for another $2-$3 million.</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pennywise and pound foolish. The inmates want to give that soft always injured jerk Burnett 85 guaranteed for 5 years and Pettitte is not even given 16 for one? If they sign Burnett they can go screw themselves,because they will be screwing up the team with a guy who will make Pavano feel like a memory. But Pettitte? With the exception of last year, he&#039;s always come through for this team with certain exceptions. What has Burnett done? Take away Boston and NY and AJerk has a 5 ERA! Whatta joke this off season is. They need hitting ,but go for overrated 10 cent brainers like Burnett, but Pettitte who is a Yankee through and through is nickel and dimed. Third place will look good again this again........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('butchie22');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_69269','butchie22');" /></div><span id="co_69269"><p>Pennywise and pound foolish. The inmates want to give that soft always injured jerk Burnett 85 guaranteed for 5 years and Pettitte is not even given 16 for one? If they sign Burnett they can go screw themselves,because they will be screwing up the team with a guy who will make Pavano feel like a memory. But Pettitte? With the exception of last year, he&#8217;s always come through for this team with certain exceptions. What has Burnett done? Take away Boston and NY and AJerk has a 5 ERA! Whatta joke this off season is. They need hitting ,but go for overrated 10 cent brainers like Burnett, but Pettitte who is a Yankee through and through is nickel and dimed. Third place will look good again this again&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: thenewguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>thenewguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Andy Pettitte dilemma is certainly a tough nut to crack.

On the one hand, Pettitte has long been a (relatively) loyal Yankee, has won many big games, and can still pitch decently well.

On the other hand, the Yankees have given Pettitte everything he wants, stood by him during the steroid controversy, and have overpaid him for his services recently.

Now, Pettitte is not worth 16 million. However for one season this not completely unreasonable. But do the Yankees owe Pettitte or does Pettitte owe the Yankees? Should the Yankees just say &quot;fuck it, it&#039;s only one year. What&#039;s another 4-5 million?&quot; Or should the Yankees say &quot;we can find someone else out there for the same price who is just as good or better than Pettitte.&quot;

The problem is that the Yankees do not want to continually overpay players just because they can. There is no way Pettitte should be paid 16 mil, and if he were still in Houston he wouldn&#039;t dare ask for that. Personally, I say fuck it and give him one year at whatever cost. One year of Pettitte is better than any years (much less 4) of Derek Lowe.

What scares me most about Graziano&#039;s article is:
&quot;If he doesn’t accept it now, the Yankees are prepared to move on and offer that final rotation spot to someone else, such as Ben Sheets or Randy Wolf.&quot;

That&#039;s like saying &quot;If the Yankees can&#039;t resign Derek Jeter they will look to either Rafael Furcal or Omar Vizquel.&quot;

How are Sheets and Wolf even comparable? Sure, Sheets gets hurt a lot, but Randy Wolf would probably have better numbers if he got hurt and didn&#039;t have to throw a baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('thenewguy');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_69238','thenewguy');" /></div><span id="co_69238"><p>The Andy Pettitte dilemma is certainly a tough nut to crack.</p>
<p>On the one hand, Pettitte has long been a (relatively) loyal Yankee, has won many big games, and can still pitch decently well.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Yankees have given Pettitte everything he wants, stood by him during the steroid controversy, and have overpaid him for his services recently.</p>
<p>Now, Pettitte is not worth 16 million. However for one season this not completely unreasonable. But do the Yankees owe Pettitte or does Pettitte owe the Yankees? Should the Yankees just say &#8220;fuck it, it&#8217;s only one year. What&#8217;s another 4-5 million?&#8221; Or should the Yankees say &#8220;we can find someone else out there for the same price who is just as good or better than Pettitte.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that the Yankees do not want to continually overpay players just because they can. There is no way Pettitte should be paid 16 mil, and if he were still in Houston he wouldn&#8217;t dare ask for that. Personally, I say fuck it and give him one year at whatever cost. One year of Pettitte is better than any years (much less 4) of Derek Lowe.</p>
<p>What scares me most about Graziano&#8217;s article is:<br />
&#8220;If he doesn’t accept it now, the Yankees are prepared to move on and offer that final rotation spot to someone else, such as Ben Sheets or Randy Wolf.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying &#8220;If the Yankees can&#8217;t resign Derek Jeter they will look to either Rafael Furcal or Omar Vizquel.&#8221;</p>
<p>How are Sheets and Wolf even comparable? Sure, Sheets gets hurt a lot, but Randy Wolf would probably have better numbers if he got hurt and didn&#8217;t have to throw a baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Antoine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex Antoine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pettitte is an admitted cheat with a history of arm problems who stunk up the league the second half of last season.  I&#039;d offer him $5 million and tell him if he doesn&#039;t like it he can go screw.</description>
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		<title>By: Pat F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couldn&#039;t agree with you more here steve.  is andy pettitte a $16 million pitcher?  no.  but is cc sabathia a $23 million pitcher?  again no.  sabathia got paid what he got paid because it&#039;s slightly more than what santana got paid.  it&#039;s not logical, but that&#039;s how baseball contracts work.  andy pettitte is probably a fair pay at like $8 million, but since he got $16 last year, AND is willing to do a one year deal (big), he&#039;s not going to take a $6 mil paycut.  he could easily get another team to go 2/$20+.  this deal makes a ton of sense for the yankees because pettitte is a reliable innings guy of average or better production, on a one year deal.  the last part is the biggest.  it&#039;s not my money, but to grapple over a few mil with him, when it makes this much sense, while throwing however much they are at a guy like burnett, just doesn&#039;t make any sense to me.  find a middle ground that&#039;s fair at 1/$12-14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Pat F');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_69227','Pat F');" /></div><span id="co_69227"><p>couldn&#8217;t agree with you more here steve.  is andy pettitte a $16 million pitcher?  no.  but is cc sabathia a $23 million pitcher?  again no.  sabathia got paid what he got paid because it&#8217;s slightly more than what santana got paid.  it&#8217;s not logical, but that&#8217;s how baseball contracts work.  andy pettitte is probably a fair pay at like $8 million, but since he got $16 last year, AND is willing to do a one year deal (big), he&#8217;s not going to take a $6 mil paycut.  he could easily get another team to go 2/$20+.  this deal makes a ton of sense for the yankees because pettitte is a reliable innings guy of average or better production, on a one year deal.  the last part is the biggest.  it&#8217;s not my money, but to grapple over a few mil with him, when it makes this much sense, while throwing however much they are at a guy like burnett, just doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me.  find a middle ground that&#8217;s fair at 1/$12-14.</p>
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