December 2008 Survey Question #3
Posted by Steve L. on December 12th, 2008 · Comments (24)
Following up on our last poll, please consider taking the following poll:
If You Could Trade Alex Rodriguez, One-Up, For Chase Utley, Today, Would You Do It?
Thanks in advance. And, please feel free to add comments on your opinion in the comments section below.
I know, in the last poll, some have asked – should we consider age, salary, and/or contract status when giving an answer? To that, I would offer: It’s up to you. Include some or all of them if you want – or don’t. Everyone should make their own decision here based on what they feel they should factor in when asked a question like this one.
I know, in the last poll, some have asked – should we consider age, salary, and/or contract status when giving an answer? To that, I would offer: It’s up to you. Include some or all of them if you want – or don’t. Everyone should make their own decision here based on what they feel they should factor in when asked a question like this one.
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Which essentially renders the results of this poll worthless since we’re just blindly asking “who do you like better”, not discouting both legitimate business- and baseball-evaluation related questions, and are making it a referendum on A-Rod’s popularity with a fan base that already has a vocal minority (or majority?) of people that don’t like him.
this doesn’t even deserve a survey. way to obvious. Utley has nothing on A-rod.
~Utley has nothing on A-rod.~
Age? Value of defensive position played? Clutch performance? Fan appeal? Less PR issues? With little drop-off in terms of offense…
Really?
~~we’re just blindly asking “who do you like better”, ~~
Is there really something wrong with that? Do the results from such a question not matter? I think they do…
I think Steve missed the memo where Utley is out for 6 months with a hip condition.
Netx time Utley has 9 homers in the 9th inning in a season he can talk about ‘clutch’.
Comparing the best player in the game to above avg middle infielders isn’t the way to go.
The only guys you can compare him to are Pujols, Manny, and Howard.
~Utley has nothing on A-rod.~
Age? Value of defensive position played? Clutch performance? Fan appeal? Less PR issues? With little drop-off in terms of offense…
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The fact he told the Yankees fans FU at the All-Star Game.
A-Rod hasn’t done that yet.
Is there really something wrong with that? Do the results from such a question not matter? I think they do…
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Considering the fact that you’ve tried to use this as a means to disprove the notion that A-Rod is the best player in the game, yes, it matters a lot when you go about something so unscientifically.
FWIW, Chase U is on pace with the greatest second basemen in the history of the game.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/PBHm
You guys who say he’s not all that are dissing him in a major way…
~~Considering the fact that you’ve tried to use this as a means to disprove the notion that A-Rod is the best player in the game, yes, it matters a lot when you go about something so unscientifically.~~
Check the stats. Look at WS, for offense and defense, and compare the two, if you want science. It’s a fair question to ask who people would rather have..
~~Netx time Utley has 9 homers in the 9th inning in a season he can talk about ‘clutch’.~~
One man’s clutch is another man’s salary drive in his opt out year.
One man’s clutch is another man’s salary drive in his opt out year.
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It was still clutch, no matter the reason. That you’ve now come up with an appendix to clutch by adding motivation as a factor is patently absurd.
Check the stats.
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Why would I bother, EVERYONE knows A-Rod’s just a stat-padder. At least 450 of those 550 HR’s were meaningless. Utley’s got a lot of catching up to do but I’m sure all of his will be clutch at least.
Puh-lease.
Let me put it to you this way: if you were running a blog in 2004, you’d have asked “If You Could Trade Alex Rodriguez, One-Up, For Derek Jeter, Today, Would You Do It?” I’m quite sure Yankee fans would’ve voted no by a resounding margin. And they’d have been wrong.
All you’re doing is asking people who they like. That only proves they like one player more than the other. It doesn’t tell you why and it doesn’t factor bias into the equation. For this question to get to what you’re driving at, you’d need to do a better job of constructing your survey.
What would you recommend is the better job?
~~That you’ve now come up with an appendix to clutch by adding motivation as a factor is patently absurd.~~
Sticks and stones…
Sticks and stones…
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It wasn’t meant as a personal insult and you shouldn’t have taken it that way. If your feelings were hurt, I’m sorry, that was not my intent at all.
All I was saying is that you can’t qualify clutch based on a player’s motivation. The reason why is irrelevant since the on-field result isn’t diminished in any way.
What would you recommend is the better job?
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Start by announcing your mission statement or intended results. What is the purpose of the survey? What do you wish to achieve, accomplish, or learn about?
Next, focus your questions in order to strip away biases by asking more targeted questions. “Who do you like better” doesn’t tell us anything more than the readers of your blog currently prefer A-Rod to Utley by a ratio of approximately 4:1.
Contract status, age, position, career stats, sabermetric analysis and even issues of personality and likeability CAN be valuable and legitimate sources of inquiry. But when you mix everything into one catch-all, you’re just not getting to the heart of the issue unles, ultimately, you’re simply trying to see how Yankee fans feel about A-Rod. If that’s the case, fine. But that goes against your previously alluded-to goal of disproving the notion that A-Rod is the best player in baseball (something which he may or may not be).
~~What is the purpose of the survey? What do you wish to achieve, accomplish, or learn about?~~
Did that. The purpose of the survey is to see if the reader would be willing to trade A-Rod for “x.” What do I hope to accomplish, etc.? Finding out how people would vote on such a question.
~~Next, focus your questions in order to strip away biases by asking more targeted questions. ~~
Why would I want to strip away biases? Biases are opinions. And, that’s what I want to see in the results. I want to see what people think, feel, etc.
~~Contract status, age, position, career stats, sabermetric analysis and even issues of personality and likeability CAN be valuable and legitimate sources of inquiry. But when you mix everything into one catch-all, you’re just not getting to the heart of the issue unles, ultimately, you’re simply trying to see how Yankee fans feel about A-Rod.~~
Yeah, pretty much, that’s it.
~~If that’s the case, fine. But that goes against your previously alluded-to goal of disproving the notion that A-Rod is the best player in baseball (something which he may or may not be).~~
Not really. If A-Rod is, indeed, the best player in baseball, then Yankees fans would love him and not be willing to trade him in ANY one-up deal – because, if he is the best player in the game, you would never get equal value back in a one-up deal. In the end, to me, these surveys, which give me feedback on Yankees fans value of A-Rod, tell me, whether or not they consider him to be the best player in the game.
Will we see a “A-Rod for Big Papi, straight up” poll?
How about A-Rod for Lester or Papelbon?
These are the results I’d be interested in.
~~Will we see a “A-Rod for Big Papi, straight up” poll?~~
Nope. I’m trying to limit to A-Rod for “players who hit, hit for power, and also run and field WELL to boot.” All-Around Players only need apply.
If A-Rod is, indeed, the best player in baseball, then Yankees fans would love him and not be willing to trade him in ANY one-up deal – because, if he is the best player in the game, you would never get equal value back in a one-up deal. In the end, to me, these surveys, which give me feedback on Yankees fans value of A-Rod, tell me, whether or not they consider him to be the best player in the game.
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Let’s pretend this is a San Francisco Giants blog from 2004. Barry Bonds just hit 45 HRs and scored 129 Runs. His BA was .362, he OBPd .609 (!), slugged .812 (!) for an OPS of 1.421 and an OPS+ of 263. He walked 232 times and even stole 6 bases.
Let me be Steve. “In a one-for-one trade, would you trade Barry Bonds for “x”" Where “x” is A-Rod, Manny, Pujols, Utley, Han-Ram, Reyes, Wright, Howard, and anyone else good.
Obviously, you would trade Barry Bonds for any one of those players. Why? Not because they are better than Barry Bonds, but because they are younger and some are cheaper. Age is a HUGE factor in any potential “trade.” If I were the Mets, would I trade Reyes for A-Rod? No! Because Reyes is better than A-Rod? No. Because he is much younger and cheaper. Do I think A-Rod will do better for the next 5 or 6 seasons, yes. But do I think A-Rod than Reyes in 10 seasons when A-Rod is retired and Reyes is only 35? These one-for-one questions are absurd Steve. For one season, I would likely take A-Rod over any player except MAYBE for Pujols.
For one season, I would likely take A-Rod over any player except MAYBE for Pujols.
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i agree except i WOULD take Pujols…that dude is the best hitter i’ve ever seen (and i havn’t gotten the oppurtunity to seem him in game (not tv highlight) action)…If the cardinals were ever stupid enough to let him walk after his current contract, i woudld offer him part ownership to come here if thats what it took lol
(and i havn’t gotten the oppurtunity to seem him in game (not tv highlight) action)…
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meant to say ” in game (not tv highlight) action all that many times…”
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