Yanks Never In Teixeira Chase
Via Buster Olney:
Unless free agent Mark Teixeira is willing to give the Orioles a major hometown discount, it does not appear he will be playing in Baltimore.
The Orioles have stood by their initial offer and have not upgraded it, and sources say that the other teams involved in the bidding — the Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Angels and Washington Nationals — have gone beyond Baltimore’s proposal for the slugging first baseman.
The New York Yankees, meanwhile, came into the offseason focused on upgrading their pitching, and have spent $243 million on CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett. But they are not seriously engaged in the Teixeira talks at this point. According to a source close to the negotiations, the Yankees have not taken the step that the Red Sox, Angels, Nationals and Orioles have taken — the Yankees have not even made an offer on the first baseman.
The Boston call will be an interesting one. Does Tex remember the past? Or, would…say…his wife be the one making the call?
Even more interesting…if the Red Sox get him, do they trade Mike Lowell to make room for him? Or, will they dare trade Big Papi? There are whispers out that that suggest David Oritz is now up to 300 pounds and his wrist is not doing well…
Hey, the Sox traded Nomar, let Damon walk, and traded Manny. No one is safe on that roster, right?
I would say that Lowell would probably be the first to go.
You want to cite those “whispers”, Steve? Because Papi himself has made appearances on Boston media and has stated unequivicolly that his wrist is fully healed, it feels great, and he can’t wait to get back to mashing A.L. pitching.
You can count on the fact that there is no intent to trade Ortiz.
Papi, in his injury plagued 2008, still eeked out a .876 OPS. Not good compared to his .936 career OPS or his close to 1.000 OPS with the Sox… but the guy makes only $13m. That’s Matsui/JD salary.
Aside from being a Boston icon, it would be nuts to trade Ortiz and his under-salary unless someone made a stunning offer, and that’s not about to happen considering his 2008 performance. I agree the Sox FO is married to NO player, but trading Papi makes ZERO sense.
They’re not trading Papi.
Papi isn’t going anywhere. Their course of action will most likely involve letting Lowell show he is healed in spring training then dealing him to a team that needs a 3b.
Trading Lowell would be stupid for sevral different reasons. Firstly, he’s proven that he can play in a tough market like Boston. Then he is great in the clubhouse. He also has been very good in big games. The Red Sox are stupid if they want to fix something that isn’t broken. In addition, they have to eat salary just to move him, while I would keep him even if they get Teixeira. That stuff about Lowell being healed by March(his value will still not be as high if he didn’t finish the season on the DL) is inside baseball bunk, I’ll believe it when I see it…… And one last fan that crushes Boston fanboy fantasies, Lowell has a no-trade clause, why would he leave a great situation in Boston having a chance to win every year and being such a big part of the team? And remember Lowell took less money and years to play with the Red Sox , so please don’t mention any rinky dick team like the Twinkies giving him added incentive.
BTW, I think it was Steve Phillips that said that they would trade Papi, before Lowell if I’m not mistaken I wouldn’t get rid of either if they get Teixeira, which would be gravy because the Red Sox are a very good offensive team. Papi has more value than Lowell so of the two you could might get a gaggle of talent for Papi whereas you owuld need Lowell’s consent and Boston would have to eat money on that contract.
Lowell has a no-trade clause, why would he leave a great situation in Boston having a chance to win every year and being such a big part of the team?
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Because he won’t be able to work if the Sox sign Texiera. He’ll be blocked at 1b, 3b & DH by Tex, Youk, & Papi respectively. If he wants to spend the next 2 years as a backup, I suppose he’s more than welcome to stay, but I suspect that won’t be the case. Certainly not in 2010 his contract year.
Phillies are an ideal fit, as they were negotiating with Lowell before he signed with the Red Sox. And he’s a definite upgrade over Pedro Feliz.
As for a no-trade clause, those can be bought out; I don’t see that as being an obstacle. And Lowell, as a player traded during a multiyear contract, can demand a trade or become a FA if he doesn’t like Philly.
You’re an absolute joke, Butchie.
The team does not give no-trade clauses to anyone. They jerry-rigged a way to get around that for Varitek, and that is absolutely it. The only no-trades that anyone has are the ones they earn through the PA by being a 10-5 man.
And who is that????
BIG PAPI, that’s who. So in addition to the many reasons why Lowell will be expendable if they get Teixeira, there is the compelling reason that Ortiz can’t be traded without his consent,
AND LOWELL ABSOLUTELY CAN BE.
With all due respect, you really ought to stop posting. Every time you write, you prove yourself to either be uninformed, or else someone who is so young they haven’t grown out of the name-calling stage of public debate.
“With all due respect, you really ought to stop posting. Every time you write, you prove yourself to either be uninformed, or else someone who is so young they haven’t grown out of the name-calling stage of public debate.”
Boom, right on.
With all due respect, you really ought to stop posting.
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Where’s the respect in that?
I don’t agree with what Butchie has to say but there’s no reason to tell him not to post.
Once I was, you are wrong. I have been very fair to the Red Sox more than anyone else except for yourself BTW. I have openly stated that I would rather have Theo run the Yankees than the current occupant. I have openly said that I would like the Yanks to spend around where the luxury tax threshhold…like the Red Sox do! And draft intelligently like them…. In addition, I have said that the team is still competitive even if Teix and Manny both come to NYC! WTF are you talking about?If you want to make an enemy because I called out Boston fanboys and called Ellsbury overrated , get real. I have openly praised them by leaps and bounds and given them effusive praise so you couldn’t call me a homer even if you tried.I feel that your Boston homerism excludes you from even making statements like who should post or not! You made a very misguided, rude AND disrespectiveful statement. That betrays a sort of youthful or puerile attitude actually. If you actually read, what I said (which you evidently didn’t) , I said I would keep both Lowell AND Papi. BUT Papi would bring much more in a trade than Lowell ever would. PERIOD! One other thing, I actually listen to Red Sox games(and WEEI, FAN 590 TORONTO, and among others) during the season to try and get their perspective (as well as other teams) so cut the shock crap that I am uninformed. You probably don’t like the fact that I mentioned that Ellsbury was benched,unh? The truth hurts deal with it. One more thing, did I rub it in when Tampa(who I rooted for) beat Boston? Hell, no! So, calm down……
I was aware that Lowell cannot be traded AND you are spinning(he has a power to say no to a trade don’t spin with me Red Sox boy). I stated the truth about his injury? NO? The truth hurts because Boston can’t trade him now because he’s injured? Right? He makes 13 mill a year and Boston would have to pay some of that right? I want to reiterate another point: I would keep both Lowell and Papi? Understand?
Yank Crank, Boom right off! You made an extremely juvenile remark to me which should have you on some kind of watch. You have no right to speak. It was unfortunate that I had to retort BUT sometimes ruffians only understand their own language and you must talk down to them.Touche’!When did you become a Boston fan? If you don’t like the fact that I hate Burnit (the worst signing in NYC since Igawa and Castillo), then enjoy the season with him. He will surely dissapoint you. He was on the DL 11 times in 8 years,has never pitched a big game, and only won over 12 games once. That’s twice the money they gave to Pavano and they gave him an extra year. Cash Man invested 82 mill in him, when it should have gone to Teix.You can keep applauding that stupid decision and I along with many others will continue to deride this signing.
MJ, thanks for the defense. I agree with you sometimes BUT it was cool of you to do that. I don’t agree with everything you say either or some of the other people BUT I would defend their right to say it. Thanks for being fair.The site features people who love Cash Man , Burnit and some that like Torre. At least one, roots for the new Evil Empire! I don’t agree with everybody all the time BUT Once crossed the line BY taking something out of context that I said and suggesting (himself a card carrying member of the team that plays in Massholia) that I don’t post anymore . Coming from him, the suggestion is purely laughable and nonsensical. Then again, I once asked what he(once I was) was doing posting here but was not as disrepectiveful.
Raf, the Lowell trade is contigent on many different things. Feliz is still with the Phillies and does Ruben Amaro want to potentially add more money in March when his spending will be set by the time spring training starts. Lowell decided to remain with Boston for less money and not sign with the Phils for an extra year and more money. He felt comfortable there , did well in the playoffs and had a good presence in the clubhouse. Lowell definitely wants to stay BUT Red Sox fans drooling over Teix can’t seem to think straight and see that the market for Lowell has restrictions.
Raf, the Lowell trade is contigent on many different things. Feliz is still with the Phillies and does Ruben Amaro want to potentially add more money in March when his spending will be set by the time spring training starts.
. Also, Feliz is signed through next year, Lowell is signed through ’10.
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Feliz is still with the Phils, but that will not stop them from acquiring Lowell if he becomes available. If Lowell’s healthy, he is clearly an upgrade over Feliz. He’s probably an upgrade as he is now
Lowell and the Phils were talking contract when he signed with the Sox, so it’s not like he’s unfamiliar with the idea of playing there.
Assuming the Sox sign Tex, if Lowell stays, he’s a backup. If that what he wants to do, that’s fine. If he wants to waive his no-trade and be traded, that’s also fine. But if he wants to be traded, Philly is the logical choice for him to land.
Butchie, i’m happy for you that you watch and listen to Red Sox games and i’m sorry that you have such a biased opinion on AJ Burnett being a Yankee. However, whenever I read your posts they are littered with childish-name calling followed with incorrect facts that you claim to be true by posting “PERIOD” after them. I am never 100% correct, and I don’t love every Yankee, but I also don’t come up with retarded names for people I don’t like and slam our G.M. for his moves that haven’t even been judged yet. You can hate AJ, but maybe he will be a good Yankee and maybe it will be the best signing Cashman ever had? You just don’t know. Also, he’s a Yankee now…you should probably accept he’s part of your favorite team and hope for the best. Acting like a 12-year-old won’t make him go away so grow up.
I assumed this blog was for adult-oriented conversation about the Yankees and not calling our players “AJerk Burnett.” This isn’t my blog si i apologize and retract my statement, but do us all a favor and grow up a little bit. I’d like to hear something intelligent for once.
First of all, Yank Crank is right on the money – Butchie might get a bit more respect if he could communicate in an adult manner. It seems as though he would fit much better at the MLB boards. Massholia … AJerk … etc. says more about the poster than it does about the targets he chooses.
Secondly, Butchie, who wrote
“…Lowell has a no-trade clause, why would he leave a great situation in Boston having a chance to win every year and being such a big part of the team?”
And
“…whereas you owuld (sic) need Lowell’s consent and Boston would have to eat money on that contract.”
Where exactly did I take things out of context?
You claim Lowell has a no-trade, I showed that you are wrong and that in fact because of his longevity, Ortiz is the one who can control his destiny, not Lowell.
You think Ellsbury is overrated? Well woop-ti-bleeping-do. Someone is supposed to care what you think? Get back to me next October, we’ll find out who is right and who is Butchie.
Once I Was, one more lesson for you….I checked the Sons of Sam Horn and Dice-k has a full no-trade clause. You look uninformed now, unh? You learn something new everyday. Your misguided and immature tirade was definitely for naught…..
Yank Crank, I hate AJerk Burnit(I didn’t call him AJerk Burnett that is too dignified for a headcase like him). Crank, my statements are very well thought and intelligent contrary to your statement. Yes, I have derisive nicknames like the Red Pox, Tankees, Orange County Angels of Pasadens, but it’s all in good fun. I’m an equal opportunity offender BTW.I have listened to tons of Toronto games the last few years and this guy is a waste. He got involved in a mess with the cops that makes Arod’s activities look sedate. He was terrible with the Toronto press that is so benign. I’ve said this a million times, he had a big comfort zone in Toronto with Halladay, Arnsberg(his old pitching coach) and an easy press corps. He could hardly handle it up there when JP Retardi called him out for being injured. Knowing this about the guy, I cannot take such a big signing so lightly after Pavano, Igawa among other disasters. Don’t be dissapointed when he flops, I’m just deriding the fact that the team seems to be making tons of mistakes.
Crank , another thing Cash Man seems to be running the team into the ground since he gained full control 3 years ago. It resulted in the Yankees finishing in third place last year. I feel that this is yet another signing that will result in more dissapointment because the Yankee front office didn’t do their due diligence. If the Yanks were more successful then we can cheer loudly for them. BUT when their primary shortcoming was offense BY FAR then the adjustments should be made accordlingly. Instead, they were fine with pitching last year and are letting the hitting aspect twist in the wind.
and what matters is that Dice-K is the only player with such a clause, and that Lowell absolutely does not have one.
You claim Lowell has a no-trade, I showed that you are wrong
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FWIW, Cot’s Baseball Contracts has Lowell listed with “no trade protection” which may or may not mean he has a NTC.
FWIW, as Raf quotes exactly above, Cot’s says Lowell has “no-trade protection”.
Which it distinguishes from Matsuzaka, who has “full no-trade clause: may not be traded without consent, provided player gets his first day of Major League service during a guaranteed contract of at least 6 years after player has been with a professional baseball league team other than a major or minor league team”, which I read to mean Dice-K has a full no-trade, because his current contract is exactly 6 years, his first day of ML service was his 1st day under this contract, and he came from a professional baseball team which not not a major or minor league team, namely, the Japanese professional league.
And it also distinguishes that clause from JD Drew’s contract, which has a “limited no-trade clause allowing Drew to block deals to 2 clubs” (Cards and Phillies, maybe???)
The team does not give no-trade clauses to anyone. They jerry-rigged a way to get around that for Varitek, and that is absolutely it. The only no-trades that anyone has are the ones they earn through the PA by being a 10-5 man. Quote from Once I WAs
They give no NTC trade clauses ,unh? The last time I checked Dice-K’s name is not Varitek.You were hoisted on your own petard! You can’t even make amends when you make a mistake! Bad job, Once I was, not only do you come across as being uninformed BUT you are ungracious as well.
Even still Once I Was didn’t prove I was wrong and proved that he doesn’t have the graciousness to admit that he was wrong. Thanks to Raf for the Cot’s info.
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