• Angels Out Of Teixeira Chase?

    Posted by on December 21st, 2008 · Comments (19)

    Via Jerry Crasnick

    The Los Angeles Angels withdrew their eight-year offer for free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira on Sunday.

    Angels vice president of communications Tim Mead confirmed an earlier ESPN report later Sunday night. The Angels’ departure from the Teixeira sweepstakes leaves the Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, Washington Nationals and Baltimore Orioles as the four teams still in the mix for the premier position player in this winter’s free-agent market.

    Angels general manager Tony Reagins revealed before the winter meetings that the team had offered Teixeira an eight-year deal. The size of the team’s offer was undetermined.

    Now, this is getting interesting. The O’s have, reportedly, made a low-ball offer to Teixeira hoping to get a home-cooking discount. The Red Sox, reportedly, pulled out of the chase for him the other day. I recently saw a report where someone on the Nats admitted that they really have no shot at him. And, reportedly, the Yankees have never made him an offer. So, if the Angels are out, who’s in? Maybe the Red Sox will get back into it? Maybe the Yankees will make him an offer now?

    Comments on Angels Out Of Teixeira Chase?

    1. clintfsu813
      December 22nd, 2008 | 8:32 am

      Tex did say he wanted to sign by Christmas..looks like that may not happen. Hopefully with some of the teams “out of the race,” his years and asking price will drop. I still think 8 is pushing it.

    2. YankCrank
      December 22nd, 2008 | 9:04 am

      Red Sox were never out of it, despite what John Henry said to the papers. I think the Sox are playing it perfectly. He’ll be in Boston.

    3. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:12 am

      I dunno, it seems kinda late for all these guys to still be on the market. Damon signed around this time in 05. Beltran signed with the Mets in January. Rodriguez was traded here in February.

      Plenty of time left to make things happen.

    4. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:12 am

      There was supposed to be a “Then again,” before Damon’s name.

    5. MJ
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:26 am

      Obviously you never want to count anyone out because negotiations — especially with Boras — are always a circus.

      I have to say, though, that the Angels are a joke of a franchise in my book. Sure they’ve won the division a number of times since Arte Moreno took over but they’ve routinely been frugal when they could’ve easily stepped up and done the right thing for their organization. Vlad Guerrero is aging like Benjamin Button out there and the Angels are continuously remaining stingy. They’re a small market team in a big market city.

    6. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:41 am

      Sure they’ve won the division a number of times since Arte Moreno took over but they’ve routinely been frugal when they could’ve easily stepped up and done the right thing for their organization.
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      No, they’ve thrown money around; Matthews Jr, Torii Hunter, Bartolo Colon, Kelvim Escobar, Guerrero, to name a few…

    7. YankCrank
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:49 am

      I wouldn’t call the Angels a joke MJ. They always have an extremely productive farm system and put together a competitive team year after year, but if you had to find a flaw I would agree with the point that they don’t throw the money around like they should. They’re not only in a big market team, but competing with another big team in their own city!

      Where I am confused with Angels is what they were thinking when they obtained Tex last July. They knew he was going to explore free agency and go for top dollar, so if you give away talent to get him you have to project yourself going all in to keep him the following offseason. They knew it would be an uphill battle with Boras as his agent, but why give up? They knew what they were getting themselves into, didn’t they?

    8. clintfsu813
      December 22nd, 2008 | 12:19 pm

      The biggest joke with the Angels is what happens when they play Boston in the playoffs!

    9. Corey
      December 22nd, 2008 | 1:07 pm

      The biggest joke with the Angels is what happens when they play Boston in the playoffs
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      u could say the same for us when we play the angels….

      my biggest gripe is along the lines of yankcrank…the guy already turned down an 8 yr/ 140 mil deal from the rangers, why would he settle for an extra 2 mil/yr from the angels? (unless thats all theres left on the table of course…which may end up being the case)

    10. butchie22
      December 22nd, 2008 | 1:48 pm

      MJ, I see what you are saying though I don’t agree 100% and I am somewhat confused. Teix is the perfect player to be on the Angels , they need protection for Vlad, and gave away Kotchman for him. He is a very good player(not a great one) and perhaps that is why the Red Sox and Angels put a line in the sand. I know they have spent money in certain terms and have been wise when it comes to player development etc so on.

      Should the Yanks sweep on in? Of course they should and it has nothing to do with stealing him, they need a younger ballclub and quite frankly the offense.They need at least one big bat to remedy this anemic(for the Yanks it is a mediocre offense) hitting. The Yanks are flush with money and signing Teix is the lesser of two evils(signing Manram the malcontent). For me, he was priority 1b after CC and hopefully the Yankee front office wakes up.

    11. YankCrank
      December 22nd, 2008 | 2:26 pm

      butchie22, i’m not personally calling you out on this because a lot of Yankee fans have been saying it, but if you look at Bill James’ projections for the 2009 lineup the Yankees are in line to score 5.8 runs a game. For those of you who hated last year’s offensive production, last year the Yankees averaged 4.8 runs a game. That’s one whole run a game which may seem small but it’s actually quite a step up. Of course, our old lineups were threats to score 1,000 runs and Bill James’ productions aren’t set in stone, but i’d not only sign up for 5.8 runs a game but i’d also classify that as something above “anemic” or “mediocre.”

      With our improved defense (Abreu and Giambi replaced with average fielders), an improved rotation and a projected upgrade on offense from last year, we all may be a pleasantly surprised with the 2009 squad.

    12. YankCrank
      December 22nd, 2008 | 2:32 pm

      Also, to add to my previous post, i’m not saying we shouldn’t try to sign Tex. Everybody can agree he’s quite a productive player, but with our projected team Tex would be a great compliment and a good addition, but we’re not “desperate” for him. It’s still projected to be a productive team so missing out on Tex isn’t the end of the 2009-2016 Yankees.

    13. MJ
      December 22nd, 2008 | 2:49 pm

      No, they’ve thrown money around; Matthews Jr, Torii Hunter, Bartolo Colon, Kelvim Escobar, Guerrero, to name a few…
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      And passed up opportunities for Aramis Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez (before 2008), Paul Konerko, Roy Oswalt, Miguel Tejada, and now seemingly Mark Teixeira.

      They seem very frugal when it comes to game-changers like those guys I just named but don’t seem to mind tossing around money to guys like Matthews/Hunter who, ridiculously, play the same position and are both aging.

    14. MJ
      December 22nd, 2008 | 2:52 pm

      I wouldn’t call the Angels a joke MJ. They always have an extremely productive farm system and put together a competitive team year after year…Where I am confused with Angels is what they were thinking when they obtained Tex last July.
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      And they do very little with those young players, it seems. Either play them or trade them. Letting them rot in the minors until their value is close to nill doesn’t make sense to me.

      They got Teixeira for next to nothing last year and I assumed that, finally, they realized they needed another hitter to help Vlad as he limped towards the end of his career. Instead, they got Teixeira for a playoff push they didn’t really have to worry about and are now letting him go? What the hell was the point of that trade then?

      The Angels draft well but beyond that, I think their front office is a joke when it comes to building a good team and player acquisition. How hard is it to be a consistent winner in a division that’s had Seattle and Texas run into the ground?

    15. YankCrank
      December 22nd, 2008 | 3:01 pm

      And they do very little with those young players, it seems. Either play them or trade them. Letting them rot in the minors until their value is close to nill doesn’t make sense to me.
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      I think you need to fill me in on which players have been kept in the minors rotting. Isn’t their entire starting lineup not named Vlad, Hunter and Juan Rivera an Angels farmhand? I’m not saying you’re wrong I just don’t personally know of any prospects who are sitting there and rotting. Fill me in if you want.

    16. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 3:22 pm

      I just named but don’t seem to mind tossing around money to guys like Matthews/Hunter who, ridiculously, play the same position and are both aging.
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      Hunter was signed as Moreno was trying to get out from under Matthews’ contract; IIRC he was busted for HGH after he signed and Moreno wanted nothing to do with him.

      Not that Matthews was any good, I’m just sayin’.

      There could be any number of reasons that they didn’t acquire the “game changers” you mention, but to say that Moreno isn’t willing to spend isn’t true.

      It could be that the reason they’re not into Teix is because they don’t want to have too much time and money invested in a player. KRod’s a Met, b/c Moreno believes that there isn’t a closer that should be paid more than Mariano Rivera.

    17. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 3:30 pm

      to say that Moreno isn’t willing to spend isn’t true…
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      Of course, looking back, you didn’t say that…

      NM :)

    18. butchie22
      December 22nd, 2008 | 8:42 pm

      Crank as an observer, I can use Bill James as a tool but I’m really not a fan of projections. I can only see how the Yanks diminished in terms of offense in 2008 and Giambi and Abreu(very productive players) are out of the mix so far. Swish is a nice player But very so-so defensively and didn’t set the world on fire in terms of his offense either. I don’t think that Damon in center is a defensive upgrade. That is still a weak point for the Yanks and Teix would be an upgrade in that sense, whereas Manram (he’s underrated in left) was a butcher in the field last year.

      MJ let’s be fair to Scioscia and the Orange County angels. They spank the Yanks everytime they face them so that means something. Moreno does spend money BUT he’s not willing to go to the next level of insanity. They have done a good job of drafting etc so on. In the case of Teix, Moreno should spend the money though. They gave up Kotchman for him and need a productive bat since they have an absolutely anemic offense. Yeah, they have had their share of bad signings BUT don’t hold a candle to the Bronx Bombers or the Hollywood Dodgers in that case. Even still 8 years /180 mill for a very good player is a big risk for any team especially one that cannot afford to make too many of them. Teix is good, but he ain’t no Arod…. make of that analogy what you will.

    19. Raf
      December 22nd, 2008 | 11:57 pm

      Yeah, they have had their share of bad signings BUT don’t hold a candle to the Bronx Bombers or the Hollywood Dodgers in that case.
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      ?

      How do you figure that?

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