The problem I have with Cash Man is that his pitching signings like Pavano, Johnson, and Wright have shown that he has a bad eye for pitching.
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Johnson was a bad signing? How do you figure that?

And why does he get dinged for that, but no credit for acquiring Chacon, Small, Lieber, Proctor, among others?

GM’s general ineffectiveness: where were the kids to bail out the Yanks when the old farts bats died out?
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What old bats died out? Posada? Do you think it’s easy to find catchers with Posada’s production? Jeter? Good luck breaking in another shortstop with Jeter there. If he didn’t move for Rodriguez, a superior shortstop in every facet of the game, he’s not going to move until he is ready.

The oldest pitcher of the 3 is Kennedy, and he made the majors at 23. You are insane if you think the Yanks are going to give up on 3 young arms with the stuff that they have shown.

Boston was right there with Teix, until they signed him. They got Schilling and Burnett from teams that were trying to get out from under their contracts.

That you think the depth chart is useless, pretty much says everything we need to know. The Yanks had a bunch of money freed up this year. They will have a bunch of money freed up next year. They have money to spend, they have arms in the system. They are players in the Int’l free agent market, they are players in the draft, they are players in every facet there is of player acquisition. That is a FACT.

The Red Sox have Youk and Lowell and Ortiz, and they were still in on Teix. Would you rather he signed there?

Not true. If you look at who the Yanks have been using their top picks on, it’s been pitchers. You could certainly argue that the Yanks haven’t developed many (or any) positional prospects over the past several years from later-round picks but it’s disingenuous to simply make the blanket statement that there is an INABILITY given that the past several drafts have been focused on pitching first. It’s ultimately a question of priority and I think the Yanks placed a greater priority on pitching. We’ll see if that changes in the coming years.Quote

Cash man has drafted heavily on pitching if anything and that was his big mistake because they relied on the free agents signings of guys like Giambi, Damon, Abreu (a trade but same difference). And what happened last year? where was the next generation of Yankee position players to pick up the slack offensively? Duncan, Melky and Gardner were far from any offensive prowess in that department. Also where was the next Nick Johnson in the minors to take over first base, Tabata was supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread what happened to him? The problem I have with Cash Man is that his pitching signings like Pavano, Johnson, and Wright have shown that he has a bad eye for pitching.

Raf, I don’t want to confuse you with one painful fact, talk about being painfully unaware of the GM’s general ineffectiveness: where were the kids to bail out the Yanks when the old farts bats died out? They had very weak offensive players trying to add energy BUT Gardner , Melky and Duncan fell asleep at the wheel. Cash Man over drafted on pitching because of that vaunted offense(which was supposed to do well) which went downhill last year. Also out of all the pitchers he has drafted since he took control who has been effective yet? Joba? Hughes hasn’t been yet neither has Kennedy, right? That’s nice if you look at the minors and see depth, but that is a potentiality if you will. Quite simply, I look at teams like Boston who have drafted both position players and pitching and don’t need to spend 425 mill to fill holes, whereas Cash Man needed to . The depth chart is useless if the prospects are a potentiality like how Hughes and Kennedy were to be the second coming….that worked out badly didn’t it? In essence. he exercised bad judgement on who impacts the team since he has taken control. Also I need to see these kids actually perform in the MLB. From my posts I am very bearish about a lot of newbie players even semi-successful ones, because the sample size is so small. Hughes and Kennedy were supposed to be the second coming and so far they have let Yankee Empire down.

In essence, Cash Man has tons of money to pay over draft BUT I have yet to see a gaggle of youth effect the team like it has the Red Sox. The Red Sox seem to be introducing kids on the pitching front and on the position player front (they are emphasizing in-house solutions) that have impact the team whereas Cash Man needs to spend 425 mill because he made a bad call on the HUghes-Kennedy experiment and has no one to replace Giambi or have a productive centerfielder yet. Boston didn’t need Teix or Burnit in the end because they have drafted well enough(by their own estimation and by the results the last two years they won the World Series in 2007 and went to the playoffs unlike the Yankees) to not spend the obscene money that Cash Man has.

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Therefore, it seems perfectly understandable for a fan to be angry at team management for overspending on a player.
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Ok, so maybe someone can explain how offering Texeira (someone that fills a big need for the Yankees) 7% more than the Sox (a team without a need at any position) offered is overspending.

Here’s a tip – it ain’t.

Let’s not confuse him with facts, now…

butchie, when was the last time that you took a look at the organizational depth chart?

Though that shows Cash Man’s inability to draft young kids that are cheap and controllable like other teams with the most resources at his disposal.
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Not true. If you look at who the Yanks have been using their top picks on, it’s been pitchers. You could certainly argue that the Yanks haven’t developed many (or any) positional prospects over the past several years from later-round picks but it’s disingenuous to simply make the blanket statement that there is an INABILITY given that the past several drafts have been focused on pitching first. It’s ultimately a question of priority and I think the Yanks placed a greater priority on pitching. We’ll see if that changes in the coming years.

Let’s also not underestimate the value of a “good guy” in the clubhouse, as I understand Tex and Sabathia are. I think that chemistry can be very valuable in the coming seasons.

The Dan Tannas? Steve, you had to throw that old Ulrich/Curtis show out didn’t you? I was thinking more like the Las Vegas Gamblers(too controversial) or the Nevada desert Rose( too safe). The Fish might even move to North Carolina which is another up and coming market.

We got no prime talent offensive players. We needed tex. plus we needed a great def player. That’s Tex. Plus we needed to replace Tino. Tex. We had a terrible offense in 2008. Needed Tex. Quote

As much as I deplore the Yanks spending a gazillion dollars on payroll, they need Teix right now. Otherwise another season of middling defense and offense would have been a disaster sans Giambi and Abreu. Look is one player worth 22.5 a year? Not really, but the Yankees have a need and their gluttonous payroll came down and that itch needed to be scratched immediately. Though that shows Cash Man’s inability to draft young kids that are cheap and controllable like other teams with the most resources at his disposal.

Except that Singleton’s best seasons came AFTER age 28. which isn’t uncommon for power hitters?

~~~And how are you basing the Singleton to Teixiera comp again?~~~

My eyes.

Both a switch hitters. Both are big and strong. Neither is very fast. Both hit for average, power, drive in runs, and are willing to take a walk.

And, if you need to go by stats, they’re both, at their peak, around 50 RCAA per season players, IIRC.