• Sources: Yanks Ink Teixeira

    Posted by on December 23rd, 2008 · Comments (35)

    Wow.

    So, I go into a meeting at 3 pm EST – and I get out around 4:15 pm EST. And, when I get back to my desk, someone says to me “Go check out ESPN.com.”

    Did I say “Wow!”?

    You’ll get more analysis from me on this move later today. In the interim, what do you think of this move? Please feel free to add comments on your opinion in the comments section below.

    Comments on Sources: Yanks Ink Teixeira

    1. Corey
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:22 pm

      Did I say “Wow!”?
      ======
      i know i did

    2. Corey
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:27 pm

      is there room left for andy too?

    3. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:32 pm

      is there room left for andy too?
      ———
      If he still wants that pay cut… But I would think he’d rather have that 3/$36M contract offer :)

    4. Corey
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:36 pm

      although, I must say I’m not shocked as you can see in the comments section of this post from a few days ago:

      http://waswatching.com/2008/12/20/yanks-teixeira-talking/#comments

    5. December 23rd, 2008 | 4:43 pm

      You think A-Rod can play 3B for another 8 years?
      Not me. In 5 years, the Yankees are going to have a bunch of highly paid 1Bs on their team.

    6. MJ
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:44 pm

      what do you think of this move?
      ———–
      I am happier than a pig rooting around in his own excrement.

    7. December 23rd, 2008 | 4:45 pm

      Another question – what does it say about the job your GM has done over the last 4 years when he has to go out and spend $425.5 million in the span of a month to address the holes on his team?

    8. MJ
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:45 pm

      You think A-Rod can play 3B for another 8 years?
      Not me. In 5 years, the Yankees are going to have a bunch of highly paid 1Bs on their team.
      —————
      You worry about that in 5 years. That’s not a good enough reason to not make the move.

    9. Scout
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:51 pm

      Now there are no excuses. For Cashman, for Girardi, for the organization. Through the use of its enormous resources, Yankee management has constructed a team that is built to win now. I have said in previous comments that the Yankee model has to be based upon a limited window of opportunity as the core ages. The recent moves both reflect that and help bring in some relative youth (players in their prime).

      This move is not about five years down the road. Many things can and will happen between today and then. If the Yankees win a championship this year or next, all the free agent signings will go down as a success. It is really quite simple.

    10. December 23rd, 2008 | 4:57 pm

      ~~~You worry about that in 5 years.~~~

      I’m sure all those mortgage people, a while back, said the same thing about potential foreclosures.

    11. butchie22
      December 23rd, 2008 | 4:58 pm

      Steve , Arod, can be DH if need be years from now there will be no Posada, Damon, Matsui maybe no Jeter(Jeter can play center) so Arod can slip into that role quite easily. I also defended the potential signing of Teix when someone brought up Posada… Posada is on the team for another three years and can DH if need be. It’s better that they have someone who can proficiently play the position than an ex-catcher who is really a DH right now.

      Steve, I always question Cash Man because he has so much money to spend extra so on and does very little comparison to lower payroll teams. Signing Teix and CC is one thing, but that guy from Toronto was a big mistake. That pitching hole didn’t need to be made immediately did it? He had to go after offense, which he finally did….at an extraordinary price. Cash Man should be in a situation where he spends more wisely on draft picks and player development.

    12. MJ
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:07 pm

      I’m sure all those mortgage people, a while back, said the same thing about potential foreclosures.
      ——————
      It’s not really the same thing at all.

      As Raf has said, five years from now we have no idea what the team will look like. Maybe A-Rod will be DH’ing and Teixeira will be playing 1st. Maybe vice-versa. Maybe something no one expects will happen. Point is, worry about it when the time comes.

    13. YankCrank
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:10 pm

      Well, I couldn’t have been more wrong. Ever since we acquired Swisher I didn’t think this would happen. For everybody I told this wouldn’t happen, I was clearly wrong.

    14. Scout
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:12 pm

      “I’m sure all those mortgage people, a while back, said the same thing about potential foreclosures.” Now, Steve, that is apples and oranges, and I think you know it.

      I’ve made clear my standard of judgment — win or else. What standard would you propose instead — given the Yankee model? I think we are in agreement that this is a team designed to win now (that is, in the next couple of years). It is smart business to take all reasonable steps to seal the deal.

      Nothing here makes Cashman a genius, and he is set up for a big fall if the moves don’t pan out. I won’t through flowers at his feet if the team wins it all but I won’t belittle him, either. He’s making solid corporate moves, no more, no less.

    15. HarleyP
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:18 pm

      You know what would be cool? If you saw this, first and foremost, as another opportunity to slag Cashman. Aw, heck. Maybe I’m asking for too much.

      Grading the buys.

      Sabathia, A.
      Burnett, B-/C+
      Teixeira, A+

    16. butchie22
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:38 pm

      Steve, I could see your point if the team was in an extended period of suckeage that brought revenues and gate receipts down. That 800 mill of “reve” could diminish quite a bit BUT it seems that HalStein is willing to spend when necessary. There is no guarantee that the economy stays crappy and results in diminished returns for the Yanks. It seems however that the Young Steins are committed to spending lavishly so the party might never end. I for one am a proponent of spending much less than this and spending wisely BUT the Yanks and Cash Man have other ideas.

    17. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:56 pm

      Another question – what does it say about the job your GM has done over the last 4 years when he has to go out and spend $425.5 million in the span of a month to address the holes on his team?
      ——————-
      He didn’t have to spend that money. Sabathia was the only one that was really “needed.” Burnett, & Texiera were icing on the cake.

    18. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 5:56 pm

      Nothing here makes Cashman a genius, and he is set up for a big fall if the moves don’t pan out. I won’t through flowers at his feet if the team wins it all but I won’t belittle him, either. He’s making solid corporate moves, no more, no less.
      ——————
      You hit the nail on the head.

    19. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:09 pm

      That pitching hole didn’t need to be made immediately did it?
      ———-
      That is correct. Yanks could have retained Pettitte, they could’ve traded a package of “untested rookies” for “proven veterans.”

      Better yet, they have a load of arms on the farm;
      http://tinyurl.com/5ndpkl

    20. FourKings
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:12 pm

      thats right PRAY,PRAY THAT CC BUSTS,PRAY THAT BURNETT BUSTS ,PRAY THAT WANG BUSTS PRAY THAT JOBA BUSTS,BECAUSE IF THEY DONT,IF THEY BRING THEIR A GAME IN 2009 ,THE YANKEES WILL MAKE THAT 5 GAME SWEEP IN 2006 ,IN FENWAY,WITH MEDIOCRE PITCHING,YOU KNOW THAT 5 GAME SWEEP ,THAT RED SOX FANS PRETEND NEVER HAPPENED,THATS GOING TO LOOK LIKE A PARTY COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WILL GET NEXT,AND THE RED SOX BI**h THE NY METS WILL LOOK UPON THE 2000 WORLD SERIES AS A BRIGHT SPOT IN THEIR FRANCHIZE,BUT LETS BE HONEST THATS A LOT OF BUST TO PRAY FOR,WHICH MEANS THE CHOWDERSOUP IS COLD THE STOUT IS WARM,AND BOSTONS 15 MINUTES OF FAME ARE OVER!!!27,28,29,30 COMING SOON THEN WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATHEY BUY ALL THE BEST PLAYERS WAAAAAAAAAAAAATHEY HAVE ALL THE MONEY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWE CANT WIN CAUSE OF THE YANKEES WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATHE EVIL EMPIRE ,HOPE TOM BRADY HEALS QUICKLY HES A YANKEE FAN.

    21. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:17 pm

      I guess you’re pretty excited about this, eh? :)

    22. thenewguy
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:18 pm

      Another question – what does it say about the job your GM has done over the last 4 years when he has to go out and spend $425.5 million in the span of a month to address the holes on his team?
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      It says that he is the GM of the NY Yankees. He (could have) simply stayed with Swisher at 1st to ‘fix’ the problem, but he had more money to spend, so why not spend it? He could have signed D-Lower instead of Sabathia to fix the pitching, but he had the money to spend, so why not spend it? Last year he tried to fix the pitching with the young guns, but that didn’t work, so why not spend the money he has available?

      This signing simply says that, since Cashman had the available money, he purchased the best players money could buy (the jury is still out on AJ.)

      You could chide Cashman if he had signed Manny for 5 years, Ben Sheets for 6, and Pat Burrell for 6 years. But Cashman didn’t get 2nd rate talent for too much money. Cashman got the *very best* available talent, both pitching and hitting, for relatively close market value. This isn’t even like the overpaying for A-Rod last year. Cashman did exactly what he was supposed to. He had money to spend, and spent it as wisely as possible (AJ obviously excluded, but this offseason is about CC and Tex, now.)

    23. butchie22
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:18 pm

      He didn’t have to spend that money. Sabathia was the only one that was really “needed.” Burnett, & Texiera were icing on the cake. Quote

      I feel like Teixeira and CC were really needed, especially Teix since their offense was so middling last year. To me , Burnit feels more like the crumbs from the cake!:) At the very least, the only way that Cash Man could solve this offensive problem was by either a trade or by a free agent signing. as much as I hate the Yankees spending so much, they are playing within the rules etc so on.
      Look, if the Steinbrenners gave Charlie McCarthy 200 mill he could field a decent team ,too……so Cash Man is certainly not a genius but the Teixeira move shows that he’s completely not a dummy either….or is he?

    24. butchie22
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:22 pm

      You could chide Cashman if he had signed Manny for 5 years, Ben Sheets for 6, and Pat Burrell for 6 years. But Cashman didn’t get 2nd rate talent for too much money. Cashman got the *very best* available talent, both pitching and hitting, for relatively close market value. This isn’t even like the overpaying for A-Rod last year. Cashman did exactly what he was supposed to. He had money to spend, and spent it as wisely as possible (AJ obviously excluded, but this offseason is about CC and Tex, now.) Quote

      I have to give the Yankee GM that much, especially after the Teixeira signing. I also agree with the AJ signing not being so wise. That being said 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, but let’s see how it all works out. Then again give a Gillick or a Beane 200 mill and let’s see what they could do for that money….

    25. jmeisner
      December 23rd, 2008 | 6:44 pm

      Well, I of course am in the minority here when I say that I don’t like this signing. I liked the CC signing, and I was ambivalent about the Burnett signing, but I don’t like this one. Teixeira is a very good hitter, but he’s also a first baseman. I think over the eight year life of the contract, you can expect him to average something around .290/.390/.520 which is in the “good, but not superstar” area for first basemen.

      I mentioned this in another post and was lampooned, but I’m going to bring it up again: Why, given all of the Burnett to Pavano comparisons, are there no Teixeira to Giambi comparisons? They’re both slugging, big (nearly identically sized at this point in this career, actually) first basemen, which is the kind of player that seems to significantly decline or get injured in the late stages of their career with a much greater frequency than other position players.

      I mean, I guess we really did need another big bat given the amount of question marks in our lineup. I just honestly would have preferred to see us somehow pull off getting Manny for two years and $55 million or something like that.

      But, it IS exciting that our team just got a lot better. Steve, would you say it’s World Series title or bust at this point?

    26. butchie22
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:00 pm

      I mentioned this in another post and was lampooned, but I’m going to bring it up again: Why, given all of the Burnett to Pavano comparisons, are there no Teixeira to Giambi comparisons? They’re both slugging, big (nearly identically sized at this point in this career, actually) first basemen, which is the kind of player that seems to significantly decline or get injured in the late stages of their career with a much greater frequency than other position players. Quote

      Teix is a much better defender than Giambi and that is important on a team that not only needs clutch pitching BUT clutch defense as well. Giambi was brought on board because the Yanks weren’t that great offensively in the 2001 world series. Teix is being brought in for the youth defense AND clutch hitting.

      mean, I guess we really did need another big bat given the amount of question marks in our lineup. I just honestly would have preferred to see us somehow pull off getting Manny for two years and $55 million or something like that.Quote

      I love Manny’s production no doubt,but he has a sh*tty attitude. Just look at what happened in Boston this year. When it came to money and the options, Manny turned on Big Papi and Co on a dime. Manny is tempting because he is a RBI machine BUT a cancer in the clubhouse. He’s kinda like the girlfriend that is a 10 on the hotness scale and a 12 on the high maintenance/bitchy scale!

    27. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:16 pm

      Why, given all of the Burnett to Pavano comparisons, are there no Teixeira to Giambi comparisons?
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      There is no Burnett to Pavano comparision. Pavano wishes he were Burnett. On his worst day, Burnett is better than Pavano.

    28. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:21 pm

      especially Teix since their offense was so middling last year.
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      Their offense was middling, but expect bounces back from Jeter, Cano, & Posada. Maybe Melky. Defense is shored up a bit with Nady and Swisher. So they improve the offense to maybe an 800 run offense, better run prevention (better defense), which in turn will make the pitching a little better.

      There are many moving parts to building a ballclub.

    29. Raf
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:22 pm

      Just look at what happened in Boston this year. When it came to money and the options, Manny turned on Big Papi and Co on a dime.
      ——————-
      And was still a productive player. This wasn’t a Derek Bell “Operation Shutdown”

    30. clintfsu813
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:30 pm

      As far as the Tex/Giambi comparison is concerned, lets not forget one of the big reasons Giambi has such a huge decline was the fact that he was no longer juicing.

    31. December 23rd, 2008 | 7:52 pm

      ~~~Steve, would you say it’s World Series title or bust at this point?~~~

      FWIW, one out of three Yankees fans were saying that BEFORE all these moves…

      http://waswatching.com/2008/10/30/october-2008-survey-question-6/

    32. Tex Antoine
      December 23rd, 2008 | 7:54 pm

      For the last friggin’ time: Texeira is NOT a “big, lumbering” first baseman in the Giambi/Ryan Howard mold. He’s an above average defender who hits for average as well as power. Giambi was a lummox who had stone hands and all the range of a washer dryer and could only do three things at the plate: hit a home run, walk, or strike out. Texeira is cut from the Don Mattingly/Will Clark cloth, so your comparison is asinine.

    33. thenewguy
      December 23rd, 2008 | 8:16 pm

      Why, given all of the Burnett to Pavano comparisons, are there no Teixeira to Giambi comparisons? They’re both slugging, big (nearly identically sized at this point in this career, actually) first basemen, which is the kind of player that seems to significantly decline or get injured in the late stages of their career with a much greater frequency than other position players.
      ——————-

      1. Giambi did steroids, which made him bigger, slower, and less effective at most things not called hitting homeruns. Although we cannot be sure Teix has not done steroids, I think we can assume that he hasn’t (at least not in the last 4 or 5 years.) Therefore, I wouldn’t expect the same physical issues with him that we experienced with Giambi.

      2. Teix hits for average and plays great defense, neither of which are Giambi staples.

      3. (And this is purely my opinion), But Giambi wasn’t all that terrible in his time with the Yankees. Yes, the contract was an albatross, but if Giambi hadn’t gotten “hurt” with his “gland problem,” he would have been a very productive player his entire time with the Yankees. In fact, he was for the most part. His OPS+ in 7 seasons: 172, 148, 90 (in 80 games), 161, 148, 108 (in 80 games), and 128. Most of those numbers are not terrible, and that is with his “gland” problem and other steroid issues. He hit 40+ HRs twice with the Yanks, and 30+ HRs three more times.

      Those are very good numbers, maybe not up to his contract, but not terrible by any means. Teix will certainly be as good, and likely much better, than Giambi offensively. Defensively there is no comparison. He also shouldn’t have “gland problems” that cause him to miss considerable time and render him ineffective for an additional time period.

    34. jmeisner
      December 23rd, 2008 | 10:16 pm

      Tex: he’s pretty much the same size that Giambi was at that point in his career, so I think you can make a reasonable argument that he’s in Giambi’s “mold”. Yes, he plays better defense, and I never called him “lumbering”, but considering he’s stolen all of 13 bases in his six year career, he’s obviously slow. He’s a big, slow player, like most first basemen are. I’m pointing out that many big, slow first basemen decline very quickly.

      “Giambi was a lummox who had stone hands and all the range of a washer dryer and could only do three things at the plate: hit a home run, walk, or strike out.”

      He hit .342 the year before we acquired him, collecting 178 hits, 38 of which were home runs. He was a great all-around hitter who could go the other way before his rapid decline…

      My overall point about Teixeira is this: ask yourself, honestly, what overall production do you expect from him over the next eight seasons? I said .290/.390/.520, and I don’t think you can argue that he’ll do much better than that considering the last three years he’s been about .300/.390/.540. He’s good, but not great, for a first baseman.

      But again, I’m glad that the 2009 Yankees just got a lot better. This should be a fun season.

    35. MJ
      December 24th, 2008 | 9:45 am

      My overall point about Teixeira is this: ask yourself, honestly, what overall production do you expect from him over the next eight seasons? I said .290/.390/.520, and I don’t think you can argue that he’ll do much better than that considering the last three years he’s been about .300/.390/.540. He’s good, but not great, for a first baseman.
      ————–
      First, if he goes .290/.390/.520 over the life of the contract (or even most of the life of the contract) I’d say that’s a fantastic result.

      Second, If you’re telling me that .290/.390/.520 qualifies as “good” but not “great” for a first baseman, I have no idea who you’re comparing him to. If you’re comparing him to Albert Pujols, OK, no one said Teixeira was a first-ballot HOF candidate and one of the best hitters of the past 50 years. But what’s been league average at 1B over the past decade or so? Has it been 290/.390/.520? I’ll bet not. So clearly the man is playing at an incredibly high level.

      I guess if you’re splitting hairs between “good” and “great” you’re missing the point here.

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