Evan3457 on January 9th, 2009 1:47 am

Excellent post dude. A smorgasbord of relevant stats. I like both guys, but I think Swish not only wins in the numbers game, but is more talented. Swish has been decent, but has not lived up to his potential. I’d like to give him the opportunitity.

Better glove, better OBP, more power, younger, and just THRILLED TO DEATH to be a Yankee. Just the kind of guy we need.

It won’t hurt to keep them both. We could use a decent bench. But if Man-of-Cash can get someone decent, I’d pull a deal for Nady.

If we trade one of the two, that leaves Damon in LF, Cabrera/Gardner in CF, Nady/Swisher in RF, and Matsui as DH. What happens when Matsui misses time? He has been injured two of the past three years, and has had problems with both knees. Do we put Damon at DH with Cabrera AND Gardner in the lineup? Posada at DH with Molina catching? I would rather keep Swisher, but I think both he and Nady are valuable. It would make sense to trade for a CF, or for a veteran starter if Pettitte doesn’t return. Otherwise, I’d rather have excellent depth and let Damon, Swisher, Nady, Matsui, and one of Cabrera/Gardner share time between outfield and DH.

Turn Two and Raf, if you are a GM that needs to win next year at the dealine you go for Nady, not Swish. You can get draft picks from Nady next year if you don’t keep him whereas you are stuck with Swish for years.
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Depends on the GM’s needs. They could let Nady walk and collect the picks, they could re-sign him, they could trade him sometime during the season. With Swisher, they can hold on to him for a few years, they could trade him during or after the season. Either or.

Raf, in the case of what the Yanks would move what for what. How do you know that Marte does it this year? Or anyone else for that matter?
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You go on Marte’s track record. Same goes for anyone and everyone else. Hughes and Kennedy are going to get additional chances, the organization is not going to give up on a couple of young arms, certainly not after each 40 innings and especially after the seasons they’ve put up in the minors. Like any other young pitcher, they’re going to have to take their lumps.

“He is a middling defensive outfielder and was supposed to play first but now that Teix is here, they will go with Gardner and Melky over Swish.”

According to UZR, Swisher is a much better outfielder than Nady. Just speaking to Right Field because that’s where Nady or Swish would be playing, in the years Swisher spent significant time there (more than 18 or so games), he put together a UZR of 7.6 (2005) and 8.7 (2007). Swish has played 186 games at RF and only made 5 errors.

In the years where Nady spent a good chunk of time in RF his best UZR was a .4, with the rest being in the negative. Both of them are not “amazing” outfielders but in no way is Swisher a middling defensive outfielder, he’s actually pretty good.

Also, where do you get that the Yanks are going with Melky or Gardner over Swish? Melky and Gardner are in CF, Swisher is not a CF.

Turn Two and Raf, if you are a GM that needs to win next year at the dealine you go for Nady, not Swish. You can get draft picks from Nady next year if you don’t keep him whereas you are stuck with Swish for years. Swish has quite a few more years left on his contract and quite frankly won’t have teams lining up like they do with Nady. I think swish is a nice player but he is a role player /4th outfielder on this team now with the signing of Teix. He is a middling defensive outfielder and was supposed to play first but now that Teix is here, they will go with Gardner and Melky over Swish. Nady is playing for a contract and usually players put their best foot forward during that contract year. That was a good call Steve.

Raf, in the case of what the Yanks would move what for what. How do you know that Marte does it this year? Or anyone else for that matter? Or even starters? what if Burnit and Joba go down, you want to replace them with the failed Hughes/Kennedy experiment again?You never know with this team and now that Tampa is a force to be reckoned with, Cash Man might go with another great pitcher that can get it done down the stretch rather than taking a risk with Hughes or Aceves. Every game counts now with Tampa being a good team. also,No one here has a crystal ball, so it is better to be safe than sorry. I would keep both guys, BUT move Swish if i had the chance to now.

Swish will be harder to move, but let’s say they need another reliever or starter or better yet, need Nady or Swish desperately because of injuries and failure they have the outfield depth just in case of an emergency.
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I doubt Swisher or Nady will be that difficult to move. Relievers are a dime a dozen, I doubt that the Yanks would move either for a bullpen arm, definitely not with the glut of arms they have in the system (they lost several arms last offseason when they were nontendered, they lost several arms this offseason when they were nontendered and in the Rule V draft, and they traded away several more arms).

As for OF depth, if either are traded away, I’m sure the Yanks could find someone, as they always have over the years.

But I’m of the mindset that they should keep both.

*Look, Nady will get more in a trade BUT he is the better player.*

it depends on what criteria you are using to compare the players. its really not that cut and dry.

Look, Nady will get more in a trade BUT he is the better player. Even with the addition of TEix, the Yanks need all the offense they can get. Who knows if Damon and Matsui(if he occasionally plays the field) get hurt? what if Gardner or Melky flatline at the plate. If would stick with Nady because he is playing for a contract and quite frankly the Yankees don’t have the most solid outfield.

Raf, I agree with your solution actually because of what might happen. Swish will be harder to move, but let’s say they need another reliever or starter or better yet, need Nady or Swish desperately because of injuries and failure they have the outfield depth just in case of an emergency.

I still don’t see why they can’t keep both, and trade one during the season if the need arises.

Let’s consider the return on our of these trades guys. Even if Swisher and Nady were equal on all fronts, which they’re not, we acquired Swisher for scrap pieces. Even if you’d rather have the “hungrier player,” how can we expect anymore in return for Swisher than what we gave up? We bought low on him, his stock is at an all-time low, so what exactly do we expect in return for Swish?

Nady, on the other hand, had a career year and his stock has never been higher.